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Sometimes I see an "Experts Say" headline and wonder why we need an expert to say something that is so obvious to everyone. If there's one thing that unites all

Sometimes I see an "Experts Say" headline and wonder why we need an expert to say something that is so obvious to everyone. If there's one thing that unites all Americans, maybe every person on earth, it's damn Daylight Saving Time. I've yet to meet anyone who celebrates those days! I assume someone must think it's still a good idea for some reason?

dugditches 5y ago
Working a midnight shift on a Saturday evening and going home an hour 'early' is quite pleasant. Working a midnight shift on a Saturday evening and having to work an hour extra isn't. The 'extra' hour feels nice this time of year. When the days are getting shorter and it's getting colder. And you know colder and darker days are ahead. While in the Spring you have Spring to look forwards too. They often talk about the increase in accidents in the spring. But this time of year road conditions typically get worse. In terms of lack of daylight, more active wildlife and other small issues(first frost, wet roads, slippery leaves, Summer tires still on, etc).
- wayoutthere 5y ago
  At least where I live (NE USA), February thru April is when we get our winter weather season. January is usually the coldest month, but we don’t get a lot of ice or snow until later in the season. Almost like clockwork we get hit by a big snowstorm the second week in April.
- kstrauser 5y ago
  In the Navy, when you're sailing west and setting the clock back, it happens after noon so that the work day is an hour longer. When you're sailing east and setting the clock forward, it happens after midnight so that you're losing an hour of sleep.
chrisco255 5y ago
"Experts say" is a call to authority. It's a rhetorical trope of the lowest quality journalist. It's meant to shut down all debate and frame the headline as a foregone conclusion.
- efa 5y ago
  Wow, perfectly stated. Thank you.
- throw0101a 5y ago
  > "Experts say" is a call to authority. "Experts say" vaccines help (a) reduce your chances of getting COVID, and (b) not suffering as badly from it should you contract it. Perhaps some of the "experts" who study how daylight effects us should at least be consulted before changes be made. The Society for Research on Biological Rhythms: > Local and national governments around the world are currently considering the elimination of the annual switch to and from Daylight Saving Time (DST). As an international organization of scientists dedicated to studying circadian and other biological rhythms, the Society for Research on Biological Rhythms (SRBR) engaged experts in the field to write a Position Paper on the consequences of choosing to live on DST or Standard Time (ST). The authors take the position that, based on comparisons of large populations living in DST or ST or on western versus eastern edges of time zones, the advantages of permanent ST outweigh switching to DST annually or permanently. Four peer reviewers provided expert critiques of the initial submission, and the SRBR Executive Board approved the revised manuscript as a Position Paper to help educate the public in their evaluation of current legislative actions to end DST. * https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31170882/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31170882/ * https://doi.org/10.1177/0748730419854197 https://doi.org/10.1177/0748730419854197 World Federation of Societies for Chronobiology: > In summary, the scientific literature strongly argues against the switching between DST and Standard Time and even more so against adopting DST permanently. […] * https://doi.org/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944 https://doi.org/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944 * https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944/full?mod=article_inline https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.0094... We can still ignore the experts after they have their say of course.
iso1631 5y ago
People in Scotland are fans of it If they clocks were GMT year round in Inverness, sunrise at 0730 today, 0830 come December, 0900 on shortest day. But under GMT year round sunset in July would be before 2100, which seems a waste when culture has people getting up about 0700 (and if you did shift culture to get up an hour earlier, you'd be up for hours before sunrise in winter). With Daylight Saving sunrise at 10am not great. America is (aside from Alaska) quite far south, so the effect isn't as pronounced
fourstar 5y ago
Because people are sheep and the media has conditioned them to believe anything with that prefix in the title.
JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> I assume someone must think it's still a good idea for some reason? Nobody does. But ask a group of people what the solution should be and someone will start screaming bloody murder about how the correct time is standard or daylight. As a result, politically, forcing a move will get you (a) lots of people with meh level support for you and (b) a small, pissed off group. Which is, electorally, worse than useless.
sjburt 5y ago
If we didn't have daylight savings, the sun would rise at 4:30 in the summer. This seems quite unpleasant to me. I would rather have an extra hour of evening light. Alternatively, if we did DST all year round, the sun would rise at 8:30 in the winter. That also seems unpleasant.
efa 5y ago
I like the night you get an extra hour sleep!

dugditches 5y ago

Working a midnight shift on a Saturday evening and going home an hour 'early' is quite pleasant. Working a midnight shift on a Saturday evening and having to work an hour extra isn't. The 'extra' hour feels nice this time of year. When the days are getting shorter and it's getting colder. And you know colder and darker days are ahead. While in the Spring you have Spring to look forwards too. They often talk about the increase in accidents in the spring. But this time of year road conditions typically get worse. In terms of lack of daylight, more active wildlife and other small issues(first frost, wet roads, slippery leaves, Summer tires still on, etc).

wayoutthere 5y ago
At least where I live (NE USA), February thru April is when we get our winter weather season. January is usually the coldest month, but we don’t get a lot of ice or snow until later in the season. Almost like clockwork we get hit by a big snowstorm the second week in April.
kstrauser 5y ago
In the Navy, when you're sailing west and setting the clock back, it happens after noon so that the work day is an hour longer. When you're sailing east and setting the clock forward, it happens after midnight so that you're losing an hour of sleep.

chrisco255 5y ago

"Experts say" is a call to authority. It's a rhetorical trope of the lowest quality journalist. It's meant to shut down all debate and frame the headline as a foregone conclusion.

efa 5y ago
Wow, perfectly stated. Thank you.
throw0101a 5y ago
> "Experts say" is a call to authority. "Experts say" vaccines help (a) reduce your chances of getting COVID, and (b) not suffering as badly from it should you contract it. Perhaps some of the "experts" who study how daylight effects us should at least be consulted before changes be made. The Society for Research on Biological Rhythms: > Local and national governments around the world are currently considering the elimination of the annual switch to and from Daylight Saving Time (DST). As an international organization of scientists dedicated to studying circadian and other biological rhythms, the Society for Research on Biological Rhythms (SRBR) engaged experts in the field to write a Position Paper on the consequences of choosing to live on DST or Standard Time (ST). The authors take the position that, based on comparisons of large populations living in DST or ST or on western versus eastern edges of time zones, the advantages of permanent ST outweigh switching to DST annually or permanently. Four peer reviewers provided expert critiques of the initial submission, and the SRBR Executive Board approved the revised manuscript as a Position Paper to help educate the public in their evaluation of current legislative actions to end DST. * https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31170882/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31170882/ * https://doi.org/10.1177/0748730419854197 https://doi.org/10.1177/0748730419854197 World Federation of Societies for Chronobiology: > In summary, the scientific literature strongly argues against the switching between DST and Standard Time and even more so against adopting DST permanently. […] * https://doi.org/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944 https://doi.org/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944 * https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.00944/full?mod=article_inline https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphys.2019.0094... We can still ignore the experts after they have their say of course.

iso1631 5y ago

People in Scotland are fans of it If they clocks were GMT year round in Inverness, sunrise at 0730 today, 0830 come December, 0900 on shortest day. But under GMT year round sunset in July would be before 2100, which seems a waste when culture has people getting up about 0700 (and if you did shift culture to get up an hour earlier, you'd be up for hours before sunrise in winter). With Daylight Saving sunrise at 10am not great. America is (aside from Alaska) quite far south, so the effect isn't as pronounced

fourstar 5y ago

Because people are sheep and the media has conditioned them to believe anything with that prefix in the title.

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> I assume someone must think it's still a good idea for some reason? Nobody does. But ask a group of people what the solution should be and someone will start screaming bloody murder about how the correct time is standard or daylight. As a result, politically, forcing a move will get you (a) lots of people with meh level support for you and (b) a small, pissed off group. Which is, electorally, worse than useless.

sjburt 5y ago

If we didn't have daylight savings, the sun would rise at 4:30 in the summer. This seems quite unpleasant to me. I would rather have an extra hour of evening light. Alternatively, if we did DST all year round, the sun would rise at 8:30 in the winter. That also seems unpleasant.

efa 5y ago

I like the night you get an extra hour sleep!