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I believe the 'quirk' here is that the fraud was able to get property ownership updated with the Land Registry, so the new owner is the official owner of record
by dtparr 5y ago
I believe the 'quirk' here is that the fraud was able to get property ownership updated with the Land Registry, so the new owner is the official owner of record.
- dgb23 5y agoSo the Land Registry is at fault? Good luck...
- thereddaikon 5y agoSounds to me like in the UK you cant truly own land if the government can just decide it belongs to someone else.
- jopsen 5y agoYeah, you don't truly own land, you pay property taxes, etc. It's more like you lease the land :)
- codyb 5y agoPretty much true everywhere. It’s not like you can take anything with you when you’re dead, owning materials is really just a societal construct no matter which way you slice it.
- H8crilA 5y agoPossession is a physical/real property of the universe. Ownership is a legal abstraction/construct.
- lazide 5y agoBeing allowed to possess something (instead of being drug off kicking and screaming by the cops) is also a societal/legal construct.
- necovek 5y agoIt is a societal/legal construct brough up from the historical experience (eg. if a caveman built himself a hammer, they possessed it as long as they took good care of it). We've redefined what "taking good care of something" means for things you possess, and we made elaborate social/legal constructs to clearly define boundaries of possession. But this is present even in the animal world, even when it comes to "property" (wolfs mark their territory, so do lions, bees go back to their own hives, etc).
- enord 5y ago>Possession is a physical/real property of the universe This assertion immediately falls apart on consideration IMO. Even in simple, controlled circumstances like football, the meaning of "possession" is subject to mutual agreement (i.e. "rules"). You could take some particular definition of "possession" as "natural" or otherwise axiomatic. This is not unheard of, but I think it's a trick of misdirection to place it in the domain of the "physical/real" when it is plainly a political matter.
- mensetmanusman 5y agoInteresting point, I wonder if we will ever have a future where cryogenic freezing works and allows people to own land after they are temporarily dead.
- ska 5y ago> cant truly own land if the government can just This is mostly how private property works in practice, everywhere.
- aqsalose 5y agoIn civilized countries, it requires a specific decree or order by some government body, possibly after appeals. Not just random clerk writing a line in a book when random stranger comes and tells they own a piece of land and are going to sell it.
- blitzar 5y ago> it requires a specific decree or order by some government body That person is a random clerk > possibly after appeals I can 100% gaurantee that this case goes to court (if it is not settled to the now previous owners satisfaction). I also suspect that the original owner will come out on top, by likely more than the 150k that their 'house' was worth.
- aqsalose 5y agoOnly thing I can think of is eminent domain. Here it using it requires either a specific decree by the national government (as in, the prime minister), zoning plan approved by the elected municipal government, or in some limited cases, apparently involving electric power lines, an agency. The owner is to be informed of the proceedings before they take effect. The random clerk does not get to do write off your property belonging to someone else, unless your elected representative had a change voice an opinion in a proceedings where a clear public decision by the elected representatives to specifically take away someone's property was made.
- _jal 5y ago> Sounds to me like in the UK you cant truly own land Can you name a country that behaves differently?
- lazide 5y agoPossession is 9/10ths of the law, and the gov’t likes to claim possession of all real property in it’s borders in some way or another