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China has hundreds of EV car startups and it appears that they are reaching the capability of making half decent cars. When these cars enter places like the US

China has hundreds of EV car startups and it appears that they are reaching the capability of making half decent cars. When these cars enter places like the US market, they are going to decimate the competition. We should probably expect an invasion of Chinese cars in the next few years. For example: [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_e2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_e2 This car looks like a decent entry level car, 190-250 Miles. starting at around ~16k. Even if it sells for 25k in the US, it seems like good value.

dragontamer 5y ago
The 1980s wasn't called the "Cold War era" because Japan suddenly gave us nice cars. The USA welcomes economic competition with foreign rivals. May the best car win. The issue is that China is beginning to aggressively take out interest in Democracies in their sphere: first Hong Kong, and everyone knows that Taiwan is in their crosshairs now. We didn't (and wouldn't) go to war over Hong Kong. Taiwan however... that's different and is truly a serious threat. --------- If anything: additional trade and cultural exchanges are needed to foster a spirit of competition / cooperation even in the face of our nuclear weapons being trained upon each other. We don't really know if the Moscow Circus prevented a US / Soviet nuclear exchange... but maybe it did??
- nebula8804 5y ago
  EVs may be a winner take all market in the sense that there is a lot of software and tech that the incumbents (except Tesla) are traditionally bad at. If the market expects this it may take a long time for incumbents to catch up. We might see bankruptcies and consolidation. Auto manufacturing is the final large manufacturing industry left in the US and it going away will hurt the country dearly.
throwaway210222 5y ago
> When these cars enter places like the US market, they are going to decimate the competition. Surely they will then become national security threats?
- ge96 5y ago
  Wonder if they had autopiloting built into them, could control them across the ocean.
omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago
NEDC range is about 80% of EPA range, so that would probably be ~150-200 miles of range if it sold in the US. $16k is great though. The base Nissan Leaf is $27k for 150 miles. At the same time, I'm not sure how much importing it would raise that. If, like you said, it sells for $25k in the US, that's a decent value if it's other features are comparable to a base Leaf, but I don't think it would decimate the competition.
Goety 5y ago
Yup. Weird connections with Tesla.

dragontamer 5y ago

The 1980s wasn't called the "Cold War era" because Japan suddenly gave us nice cars. The USA welcomes economic competition with foreign rivals. May the best car win. The issue is that China is beginning to aggressively take out interest in Democracies in their sphere: first Hong Kong, and everyone knows that Taiwan is in their crosshairs now. We didn't (and wouldn't) go to war over Hong Kong. Taiwan however... that's different and is truly a serious threat. --------- If anything: additional trade and cultural exchanges are needed to foster a spirit of competition / cooperation even in the face of our nuclear weapons being trained upon each other. We don't really know if the Moscow Circus prevented a US / Soviet nuclear exchange... but maybe it did??

nebula8804 5y ago
EVs may be a winner take all market in the sense that there is a lot of software and tech that the incumbents (except Tesla) are traditionally bad at. If the market expects this it may take a long time for incumbents to catch up. We might see bankruptcies and consolidation. Auto manufacturing is the final large manufacturing industry left in the US and it going away will hurt the country dearly.

throwaway210222 5y ago

> When these cars enter places like the US market, they are going to decimate the competition. Surely they will then become national security threats?

ge96 5y ago
Wonder if they had autopiloting built into them, could control them across the ocean.

omgwtfbyobbq 5y ago

NEDC range is about 80% of EPA range, so that would probably be ~150-200 miles of range if it sold in the US. $16k is great though. The base Nissan Leaf is $27k for 150 miles. At the same time, I'm not sure how much importing it would raise that. If, like you said, it sells for $25k in the US, that's a decent value if it's other features are comparable to a base Leaf, but I don't think it would decimate the competition.

Goety 5y ago

Yup. Weird connections with Tesla.