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> I really wish a good, well-maintained, modern (as in, actually break stupid compatibility, just fuck it. It's 2021 for God sakes) C++ existed. As a C++ progr

> I really wish a good, well-maintained, modern (as in, actually break stupid compatibility, just fuck it. It's 2021 for God sakes) C++ existed. As a C++ programmer I would say this language is Ada 2012 (see https://pyjarrett.github.io/programming-with-ada/four-months-summary.html https://pyjarrett.github.io/programming-with-ada/four-months...). It's hard to get people past the initial shock of the Pascal family syntax, but once you do, you'll find it ludicrously close feature-wise to the base C++ feature set that gets used day-to-day (RAII, templates, etc.) but with a Pascal skin. It also comes with built-in concurrency.

titzer 5y ago
> Pascal family syntax I have fantasies of doing a "new" programming language which is literally a lexical translation of Ada into curly-brace syntax and calling it Curla. I wonder if anyone would notice that it was just Ada!
- pyjarrett 5y ago
  This has already been done (http://www.adapplang.com/index.html http://www.adapplang.com/index.html).
  - Jtsummers 5y ago
    Which is actually an April Fool's Joke. They only bothered to replace begin/end with {/} and is with :. Which results in delightfully asymmetric examples like with case: case Foo: when Bar => ... } The also eliminated the need to both with and use if you use a package (the only positive change suggested on that site), and added some abbreviations like pkg and priv.
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mikewarot 5y ago
>It's hard to get people past the initial shock of the Pascal family syntax What's so shocking about Pascal?
- pyjarrett 5y ago
  People throw their hands up because there's `begin...end` instead of curly braces.
  - mikewarot 5y ago
    If it was just that small difference, I would have picked up C decades ago, instead of despising it. There are all the .h files fractured off randomly from the source files, littering the landscape, the make system which never quite seems to work, the abuse of case sensitivity as a feature, the stupidity of uncounted strings ending with (maybe) a null, the abuses of macros which make things unreadable, then the pointers that are never quite explicit... char * or char, it never, ever* made sense to me. In Pascal, it's simple... @x is the address of X, x^ is what X points to. In pascal, you pass the value of an argument by default, or optionally you can pass it by reference, and the syntax doesn't change, and you don't have to play with the footgun that is pointers. But sure, using the reserved words BEGIN and END at the bounds of a block of code break people's brains ;-)
- Tozen 5y ago
  I don't think it's a matter of shock, as so much people parroting the manufactured corporate resistance to Pascal that sneakily came from AT&T (birth place of C, C++, and Unix). Being "anti Pascal" or feeling its syntax is "alien" was something embedded into the C family language culture. To the extent some people act like their brain might explode if they can't have a language with curly braces or that any new language should go that direction.

titzer 5y ago

> Pascal family syntax I have fantasies of doing a "new" programming language which is literally a lexical translation of Ada into curly-brace syntax and calling it Curla. I wonder if anyone would notice that it was just Ada!

pyjarrett 5y ago
This has already been done (http://www.adapplang.com/index.html http://www.adapplang.com/index.html).
- Jtsummers 5y ago
  Which is actually an April Fool's Joke. They only bothered to replace begin/end with {/} and is with :. Which results in delightfully asymmetric examples like with case: case Foo: when Bar => ... } The also eliminated the need to both with and use if you use a package (the only positive change suggested on that site), and added some abbreviations like pkg and priv.

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mikewarot 5y ago

>It's hard to get people past the initial shock of the Pascal family syntax What's so shocking about Pascal?

pyjarrett 5y ago
People throw their hands up because there's `begin...end` instead of curly braces.
- mikewarot 5y ago
  If it was just that small difference, I would have picked up C decades ago, instead of despising it. There are all the .h files fractured off randomly from the source files, littering the landscape, the make system which never quite seems to work, the abuse of case sensitivity as a feature, the stupidity of uncounted strings ending with (maybe) a null, the abuses of macros which make things unreadable, then the pointers that are never quite explicit... char * or char, it never, ever* made sense to me. In Pascal, it's simple... @x is the address of X, x^ is what X points to. In pascal, you pass the value of an argument by default, or optionally you can pass it by reference, and the syntax doesn't change, and you don't have to play with the footgun that is pointers. But sure, using the reserved words BEGIN and END at the bounds of a block of code break people's brains ;-)
Tozen 5y ago
I don't think it's a matter of shock, as so much people parroting the manufactured corporate resistance to Pascal that sneakily came from AT&T (birth place of C, C++, and Unix). Being "anti Pascal" or feeling its syntax is "alien" was something embedded into the C family language culture. To the extent some people act like their brain might explode if they can't have a language with curly braces or that any new language should go that direction.