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Fixed that for you: How can you possibly know that, if no person in the world had the MRNA vaccine more than 2 years ago? And, claiming that the worst _possibl

by Vrondi 5y ago

Fixed that for you: How can you possibly know that, if no person in the world had the MRNA vaccine more than 2 years ago? And, claiming that the worst _possible_ effect of the vaccines are cold-like symptoms is outright deception. The numbers are a small minority, but there are bad possible effects like ITP and other immune reactions, myocarditis, and other clotting issues, which are happening to _some_ people. We have no way to predict this. Just as we have _zero_ way to predict how severe any individual's infection with COVID-19 will actually be. It is this tendency to obviously outright lie that makes a lot of people who would not otherwise be "anti-vax" mistrust the current massive push to force everyone to take these new vaccines. Most particularly for those of us who have had the bad luck to have one of these rare reactions to a vaccine in the past. The world dismisses us, but "the minority" still exists, even if they are not you. Every time someone like you blows off these truths, they create more anti-vaxxers out of people who have had a bad reaction to a vaccine or know someone who has.

scotty79 5y ago
No need to fix. > How can you possibly know that, if no person in the world had the MRNA vaccine more than 2 years ago? That's what antivaxxers are asking. I'm not one of them. I ask, how can you know that the fact that you were exposed to covid won't cause cancers or strokes in few years or whatever if nobody had it more than two years ago? And you can skip arguments like it's just a flu because it isn't or that it's natural therefore not that bad as artificial vaccine because it makes your body do way more things it shouldn't do. > The numbers are a small minority, but there are bad possible effects like ITP and other immune reactions, myocarditis, and other clotting issues, which are happening to _some_ people. As I said, research whether vaccine raised the probability of those events occuring for those people is inconclusive (because numbers are so small that it's very hard to tell the signal from the noise) and even assuming vaccine had some role in some of these cases there's exacly zero proof that they wouldn't just got the same event or worse once they contracted covid. > It is this tendency to obviously outright lie that makes a lot of people who would not otherwise be "anti-vax" mistrust the current massive push to force everyone to take these new vaccines. Nobody lies about this, same way I'm not lying when I say you will not a win a grand prize in powerball lottery. Even though some people do, you won't, and more people die in traffic accidents when they drive to buy their lottery ticket so you have a better chance of that happening. > Every time someone like you blows off these truths, they create more anti-vaxxers out of people who have had a bad reaction to a vaccine or know someone who has. Everytime someone pays inordinate amount of attention to such extremely rare cases, when someone got some issue after they took vaccine even though there's no proof it had anything to do with that beyond possible faint correlation, even though there's no possible mechanism of vaccine causing anything that the virus itself wouldn't cause ... whenever you do that you are creating thousands of antivaxxers and cause people to make very bad decisions for themselves, their loved ones and everybody else.

by Vrondi 5y ago

scotty79 5y ago

No need to fix. > How can you possibly know that, if no person in the world had the MRNA vaccine more than 2 years ago? That's what antivaxxers are asking. I'm not one of them. I ask, how can you know that the fact that you were exposed to covid won't cause cancers or strokes in few years or whatever if nobody had it more than two years ago? And you can skip arguments like it's just a flu because it isn't or that it's natural therefore not that bad as artificial vaccine because it makes your body do way more things it shouldn't do. > The numbers are a small minority, but there are bad possible effects like ITP and other immune reactions, myocarditis, and other clotting issues, which are happening to _some_ people. As I said, research whether vaccine raised the probability of those events occuring for those people is inconclusive (because numbers are so small that it's very hard to tell the signal from the noise) and even assuming vaccine had some role in some of these cases there's exacly zero proof that they wouldn't just got the same event or worse once they contracted covid. > It is this tendency to obviously outright lie that makes a lot of people who would not otherwise be "anti-vax" mistrust the current massive push to force everyone to take these new vaccines. Nobody lies about this, same way I'm not lying when I say you will not a win a grand prize in powerball lottery. Even though some people do, you won't, and more people die in traffic accidents when they drive to buy their lottery ticket so you have a better chance of that happening. > Every time someone like you blows off these truths, they create more anti-vaxxers out of people who have had a bad reaction to a vaccine or know someone who has. Everytime someone pays inordinate amount of attention to such extremely rare cases, when someone got some issue after they took vaccine even though there's no proof it had anything to do with that beyond possible faint correlation, even though there's no possible mechanism of vaccine causing anything that the virus itself wouldn't cause ... whenever you do that you are creating thousands of antivaxxers and cause people to make very bad decisions for themselves, their loved ones and everybody else.