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> As a result Apple missed out on the user-generated content wave, which was owned by YouTube and then TikTok. I don't disagree with your take on Apple's perce

> As a result Apple missed out on the user-generated content wave, which was owned by YouTube and then TikTok. I don't disagree with your take on Apple's perception. However, I don't think UGC is the end-all be-all. UGC is only useful for companies in the sense that it drives advertising. By changing its Privacy policies, Apple has managed to triple its advertising revenue in the last six months, now at $5B, with expectations of reaching $20B in three years.[1] UGC is nice, but so is having the hardware and OS that the UGC runs on. 1: https://www.ft.com/content/074b881f-a931-4986-888e-2ac53e286b9d https://www.ft.com/content/074b881f-a931-4986-888e-2ac53e286... ($)

toyg 5y ago
> By changing its Privacy policies ... is the new "by leveraging its monopoly power" ...
- r00fus 5y ago
  Apple is not a monopoly in any way, shape or form.
  - Nullabillity 5y ago
    How do you install not-iOS on an iPhone? How do you install applications on iOS without involving Apple? How do you transfer your iOS apps over to non-iPhones? Until there is a compelling answer to all three of those then Apple is still a monopolist (when it comes to phones, but similar lists apply to their other product segments).
    - quitit 5y ago
      Same things could be said if one switches the brand names to Nintendo, Sony, Amazon etc. The problem is that your questions are arbitrary and at best approximate the ideas of what you think a monopolist is rather than what is established in law. Merely moving the goal post doesn’t make a monopolist. Furthermore your questions have no bearing on the company in question: a company building its own devices and ecosystem has no responsibility to facilitate onboarding of the technology of others: things which they do not know about, could never plan for and have nothing to do with their operations.
      - toyg 5y ago
        Keep rehashing the same tired arguments, you'll need them when antitrust authorities start shooting. They are coming for Apple and Google, both in EU and US. Lowering appstore fees was just the first skirmish.
        quitit 5y ago
        um… i’m not a tech company. And contrary to what it may sound like: I’m all in favour of these things going through the process. My nitpicking is with people that spew b/s on the internet and pretend their wishful thinking is fact.
      - Nullabillity 5y ago
        > Same things could be said if one switches the brand names to Nintendo, Sony, Amazon etc. Yes. This is a discussion about Apple, but they are certainly not alone. I don't see how that exonerates anyone involved? > The problem is that your questions are arbitrary and at best approximate the ideas of what you think a monopolist is rather than what is established in law. Merely moving the goal post doesn’t make a monopolist. Can we agree that someone is a monopolist if they hold disproportionate control over a market? So the remaining question is whether Apple does that. To me, the answers to those questions mean that iOS devices must be seen as their own market, rather than as part of a wider smartphone market (as Apple and their fans are so happy to claim). And considering that Apple has set themselves up to have 100% control I don't see any other viable conclusion. > and at best approximate the ideas of what you think a monopolist is rather than what is established in law If the law as is can't keep up then the law ought to be fixed. > Furthermore your questions have no bearing on the company in question: a company building its own devices and ecosystem has no responsibility to facilitate onboarding of the technology of others: things which they do not know about, could never plan for and have nothing to do with their operations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqk-CLxrW6s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqk-CLxrW6s

toyg 5y ago

> By changing its Privacy policies ... is the new "by leveraging its monopoly power" ...

r00fus 5y ago
Apple is not a monopoly in any way, shape or form.
- Nullabillity 5y ago
  How do you install not-iOS on an iPhone? How do you install applications on iOS without involving Apple? How do you transfer your iOS apps over to non-iPhones? Until there is a compelling answer to all three of those then Apple is still a monopolist (when it comes to phones, but similar lists apply to their other product segments).
  - quitit 5y ago
    Same things could be said if one switches the brand names to Nintendo, Sony, Amazon etc. The problem is that your questions are arbitrary and at best approximate the ideas of what you think a monopolist is rather than what is established in law. Merely moving the goal post doesn’t make a monopolist. Furthermore your questions have no bearing on the company in question: a company building its own devices and ecosystem has no responsibility to facilitate onboarding of the technology of others: things which they do not know about, could never plan for and have nothing to do with their operations.
    - toyg 5y ago
      Keep rehashing the same tired arguments, you'll need them when antitrust authorities start shooting. They are coming for Apple and Google, both in EU and US. Lowering appstore fees was just the first skirmish.
      - quitit 5y ago
        um… i’m not a tech company. And contrary to what it may sound like: I’m all in favour of these things going through the process. My nitpicking is with people that spew b/s on the internet and pretend their wishful thinking is fact.
    - Nullabillity 5y ago
      > Same things could be said if one switches the brand names to Nintendo, Sony, Amazon etc. Yes. This is a discussion about Apple, but they are certainly not alone. I don't see how that exonerates anyone involved? > The problem is that your questions are arbitrary and at best approximate the ideas of what you think a monopolist is rather than what is established in law. Merely moving the goal post doesn’t make a monopolist. Can we agree that someone is a monopolist if they hold disproportionate control over a market? So the remaining question is whether Apple does that. To me, the answers to those questions mean that iOS devices must be seen as their own market, rather than as part of a wider smartphone market (as Apple and their fans are so happy to claim). And considering that Apple has set themselves up to have 100% control I don't see any other viable conclusion. > and at best approximate the ideas of what you think a monopolist is rather than what is established in law If the law as is can't keep up then the law ought to be fixed. > Furthermore your questions have no bearing on the company in question: a company building its own devices and ecosystem has no responsibility to facilitate onboarding of the technology of others: things which they do not know about, could never plan for and have nothing to do with their operations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqk-CLxrW6s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqk-CLxrW6s