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I mean sure, yes, there's also programmers out there who've been working for years and look at me like I'm speaking in tongues when I talk about closure. The a

I mean sure, yes, there's also programmers out there who've been working for years and look at me like I'm speaking in tongues when I talk about closure. The author's casual arrogance about "pixel pushers" only caring about "hotdog stand colors" is just as damaging to the profession -- as it infects the hardest part of getting things right most of the time: teamwork.

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gehatare 5y ago
I think you misunderstood his point, I think what he's saying is that even good back end devs are horrible at designing UI and you need different people with different specialisations on a team.
- lytefm 5y ago
  Yes the author was criticizing the kind of "I have deep CS knowledge, you are just pushing pixels" arrogance.
- pkilgore 5y ago
  I'm horrible at designing UI too. That's simply not the job of building modern interfaces across multi-disciplinary teams. I care far, far more about data-structures, eventual-consistency, data-design, and types than CSS and divs. These days getting the design to look nice is my two-hour reward for nine days of data-stitching hell, writing backend-for-frontend lambda functions, and negotiating API contracts that actually support the product I've been asked to build. We need to stop assuming that just because a programmer works on client code, that they are in any way less capable that a programmer that works on server code. My point stands: It's absolutely toxic to collaboration, which is the key to success.
  - kragen 5y ago
    I think he was saying that the GUI programmer doesn't need to know how to use a profiler for their work to be valuable, and that if you're good at optimizing you don't need to know how to choose tasteful colors for your work to be valuable. My reading is the opposite of your reading.
leonsegal 5y ago
The part which was more problematic for me was the correlation between having a comp-sci degree and working backend, it felt like a subtle form of gate keeping i.e. you could interpret this as: haven't got a degree? you will be working frontend/ui.

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gehatare 5y ago

I think you misunderstood his point, I think what he's saying is that even good back end devs are horrible at designing UI and you need different people with different specialisations on a team.

lytefm 5y ago
Yes the author was criticizing the kind of "I have deep CS knowledge, you are just pushing pixels" arrogance.
pkilgore 5y ago
I'm horrible at designing UI too. That's simply not the job of building modern interfaces across multi-disciplinary teams. I care far, far more about data-structures, eventual-consistency, data-design, and types than CSS and divs. These days getting the design to look nice is my two-hour reward for nine days of data-stitching hell, writing backend-for-frontend lambda functions, and negotiating API contracts that actually support the product I've been asked to build. We need to stop assuming that just because a programmer works on client code, that they are in any way less capable that a programmer that works on server code. My point stands: It's absolutely toxic to collaboration, which is the key to success.
- kragen 5y ago
  I think he was saying that the GUI programmer doesn't need to know how to use a profiler for their work to be valuable, and that if you're good at optimizing you don't need to know how to choose tasteful colors for your work to be valuable. My reading is the opposite of your reading.

leonsegal 5y ago

The part which was more problematic for me was the correlation between having a comp-sci degree and working backend, it felt like a subtle form of gate keeping i.e. you could interpret this as: haven't got a degree? you will be working frontend/ui.