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I'm not saying it's impossible, but Apple is a company that cares a great deal about the environmental valence of their products. Obviously CSR is a bit of a sh
by notafraudster 5y ago
I'm not saying it's impossible, but Apple is a company that cares a great deal about the environmental valence of their products. Obviously CSR is a bit of a shell game no matter who does it, but Apple seems to take it seriously, and they seem to have made pretty real strides in reducing both operations and manufacturing footprint. Moreover, as compared to many electronic manufacturers, they seem more willing in general to actually impose environmental responsibilities on suppliers, and subcontractors, and further downstream. One example of this is that they build or buy huge amounts of renewable power, and they work with suppliers who don't use renewable power to switch.
Without getting into the debate about the true environmental impact of cryptocurrency, we can all agree that cryptocurrency has an external appearance of being environmentally bad. Maybe that's unfair, maybe it's not. But if Apple announces meaningful cryptocurrency integration, it is going to expose them to that debate in a way that superficially will seem to cut against their values.
As a result, I do not expect them to do so. That's not to say they'll block cryptocurrency efforts by third parties, just that I do not think they're ever going to do anything themselves or trumpet those kinds of connections.
Small disclosure note: I worked in an academic lab where coworkers, one of whom later a coauthor of mine in an unrelated product, were hired by Apple to do some work on conflict minerals, mineral sourcing in their supply chain, and Dodd-Frank's conflict mineral oversight provisions. I was not involved in the project personally and it ended several years ago, but obviously it gave me a bit of exposure to Apple's efforts that no doubt shapes my perception here.
- rvz 5y ago> we can all agree that cryptocurrency has an external appearance of being environmentally bad. But ARE all cryptocurrencies environmentally bad? Do you have evidence for both claims?
- sofixa 5y agoCan you name any one that isn't? Even "different" ones like Chia that don't use proof of work have bad externalities ( it eats hard drives). If one day Ethereum moves to proof of stake, that might change, but as of today there isn't a single one that's even remotely popular which doesn't do serious environmental damage.
- rvz 5y agoNormally, the burden of proof is on whoever made the original claim [0] to substantiate it with credible links or evidence; you can do it for them if you want. However, The claim that 'every single cryptocurrency' is bad for the environment regardless of popularity is still unsubstantiated. I am only asking for relevant sources rather than attempts to avoid giving out any relevant sources by answering a question with another question. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29065284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29065284
- gfodor 5y agoAvalanche
- notafraudster 5y agoI had hoped that putting a part in my post saying that I was talking about optics -- not the underlying truth -- would have dissuaded people from trying to engage me on the truth of the claim. I apologize only for my naivety in that respect.
- rvz 5y agoI have already acknowledged that but additionally requested on your side for such evidence to support your claim even if assumptions are involved. It still requires sources regardless, otherwise it is baseless. Or is it that you don't have any evidence to your own assumptions and on top of the second claim I mentioned?
- notafraudster 5y agoI honestly can't follow what you're asking for here. I literally don't understand what it is you think I said, or what you're asking me to support or provide evidence for.
- rvz 5y agoThis is you from [0]: > ...we can all agree that cryptocurrency has an external appearance of being environmentally bad. From: [1] Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. Maybe I assumed you read this guideline, but clearly it seems that you did not read it, given that your own assumption lacks substance. Which is why I ask again: Do you have evidence to your own assumption that cryptocurrencies have the perception or appearance of being bad for the environment? On top of that, where is the evidence that support the case that ALL cryptocurrencies are bad for the environment? The fact that you are actively dodging these questions leads me to think that you have no evidence in general to support your entire sentence in [0] given that it has ZERO sources which means it is absolutely baseless. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29065284 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29065284 [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html