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>> Even in person, I have gotten called “race traitor” because I don’t believe in judging people by their skin color This is where we get into muddy waters. Li

by oblib 5y ago

>> Even in person, I have gotten called “race traitor” because I don’t believe in judging people by their skin color This is where we get into muddy waters. Lifting up those who've been denied for generations is not "judging people by their skin color", it more akin to "reparation" for denying so many for so long because of judging people by their skin color. The cop out for that is "I've never done that", but that doesn't matter. It was done and the effects of it are still with us. As a society we must make it right. If there were enough seats for anyone who wanted to put in the effort to attend this would be a non-issue, so that's the real problem.

b9a2cab5 5y ago
The problem is that DEI efforts are paying those reparations by fucking over other minorities (namely, Asians). Add to that the fact that prestige is zero-sum so you will never get "enough seats" and DEI is trying to solve an unsolvable problem. And that's ignoring the fact that culture plays a huge factor in success of different races in different things. For example, black American culture has a huge emphasis on sports and it shows in their standings in top athletics competitions.
- busymom0 5y ago
  Not just that. DEI gives more preference to someone just because of their skin color. Lebron James or Oprah or Obama and their kids get more preference despite all of them being filthy rich. But if you are a white farmer's kid, then you are f'd. I would recommend reading the ruling by a recent judge. He brings up a lot of irrational side effects of identity politics based laws: Appellate Court Strikes Down Racial and Gender Preferences in COVID Relief Law: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/appellate-court-strikes-down-racial https://greenwald.substack.com/p/appellate-court-strikes-dow...
busymom0 5y ago
> Lifting up those who've been denied for generations is not "judging people by their skin color", it more akin to "reparation" for denying so many for so long because of judging people by their skin color. What does people calling me "race traitor" have to do with your comment? In US, Black and Hispanic young women now attend college at higher rate than white young men. Why's that? https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d19/tables/dt19_302.60.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d19/tables/dt19_302.60.a... Also Indians, Jews, Asians, Irish, Italian whites all were oppressed until a few decades ago. Yet they are all hyper successful now. Nigerians are one of the most successful immigrants. 880,000+ black millionaires and half a dozen black billionaires. Microsoft, IBM, Google, Adobe, Nokia, Harman, MasterCard and PepsiCo etc all have Indian (minority) CEOs. More than 21% of the doctors in the US are Indians. Indian Americans household income average USD 120,000 annually. Blacks are HIGHLY successful in sports whereas asians, Indians and whites aren't. Why's that? The main reason why Nigerian, Indian, Asian etc do so much better than the white American or black American isn't because of "racism". It's because of the policies in the cities. Chicago has been fully one party ruled since 1931. Baltimore since 1963, Detroit since 1962 etc and so on. Why exactly has none of the lives improved in these cities? 13 Baltimore City High Schools, Zero Students Proficient in Math. Baltimore is 2nd in per pupil spending. This is not because the schools dont get enough money. In fact its just about as far away from that as you can get. If despite getting the 2nd more funded, the students still can't do high school math, then the problem isn't about money or racism or past inequities, it's probably about corruption, gangs, fatherlessness, teacher unions and lack of school choice. https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7bvreb/13_baltimore_city_high_schools_zero_students/ https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7bvreb/13_baltimore_c... https://archive.ph/VfciU https://archive.ph/VfciU http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-ce... https://archive.ph/cqIZd https://archive.ph/cqIZd It would be one thing if we were talking about providing opportunities and resources to poor people - poor white farmer, poor black farmer, poor asian farmer etc. But instead of focussing on class lines, we are going with race lines.
splitstud 5y ago
It is exactly "judging people by their skin color". 100%

by oblib 5y ago

b9a2cab5 5y ago

The problem is that DEI efforts are paying those reparations by fucking over other minorities (namely, Asians). Add to that the fact that prestige is zero-sum so you will never get "enough seats" and DEI is trying to solve an unsolvable problem. And that's ignoring the fact that culture plays a huge factor in success of different races in different things. For example, black American culture has a huge emphasis on sports and it shows in their standings in top athletics competitions.

busymom0 5y ago
Not just that. DEI gives more preference to someone just because of their skin color. Lebron James or Oprah or Obama and their kids get more preference despite all of them being filthy rich. But if you are a white farmer's kid, then you are f'd. I would recommend reading the ruling by a recent judge. He brings up a lot of irrational side effects of identity politics based laws: Appellate Court Strikes Down Racial and Gender Preferences in COVID Relief Law: https://greenwald.substack.com/p/appellate-court-strikes-down-racial https://greenwald.substack.com/p/appellate-court-strikes-dow...

busymom0 5y ago

> Lifting up those who've been denied for generations is not "judging people by their skin color", it more akin to "reparation" for denying so many for so long because of judging people by their skin color. What does people calling me "race traitor" have to do with your comment? In US, Black and Hispanic young women now attend college at higher rate than white young men. Why's that? https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d19/tables/dt19_302.60.asp https://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d19/tables/dt19_302.60.a... Also Indians, Jews, Asians, Irish, Italian whites all were oppressed until a few decades ago. Yet they are all hyper successful now. Nigerians are one of the most successful immigrants. 880,000+ black millionaires and half a dozen black billionaires. Microsoft, IBM, Google, Adobe, Nokia, Harman, MasterCard and PepsiCo etc all have Indian (minority) CEOs. More than 21% of the doctors in the US are Indians. Indian Americans household income average USD 120,000 annually. Blacks are HIGHLY successful in sports whereas asians, Indians and whites aren't. Why's that? The main reason why Nigerian, Indian, Asian etc do so much better than the white American or black American isn't because of "racism". It's because of the policies in the cities. Chicago has been fully one party ruled since 1931. Baltimore since 1963, Detroit since 1962 etc and so on. Why exactly has none of the lives improved in these cities? 13 Baltimore City High Schools, Zero Students Proficient in Math. Baltimore is 2nd in per pupil spending. This is not because the schools dont get enough money. In fact its just about as far away from that as you can get. If despite getting the 2nd more funded, the students still can't do high school math, then the problem isn't about money or racism or past inequities, it's probably about corruption, gangs, fatherlessness, teacher unions and lack of school choice. https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7bvreb/13_baltimore_city_high_schools_zero_students/ https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/7bvreb/13_baltimore_c... https://archive.ph/VfciU https://archive.ph/VfciU http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-census-schools-20130521_1_school-system-per-pupil-spending-districts http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2013-05-21/news/bs-md-ci-ce... https://archive.ph/cqIZd https://archive.ph/cqIZd It would be one thing if we were talking about providing opportunities and resources to poor people - poor white farmer, poor black farmer, poor asian farmer etc. But instead of focussing on class lines, we are going with race lines.

splitstud 5y ago

It is exactly "judging people by their skin color". 100%