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Flagged / Dead I wonder if this cultural norm has anything to do with the problems discussed in the article. It was surely a biased and inflammatory article,

Flagged / Dead I wonder if this cultural norm has anything to do with the problems discussed in the article. It was surely a biased and inflammatory article, but are we incapable of discussing things involving controversy?

jjulius 5y ago
I'd wager that if you, the author, or other people who commented in this thread could've shown evidence of an actual candy shortage this year, this wouldn't have been flagged.
- mistermann 5y ago
  How might such a wager be settled in this stream of reality? It can't entirely, but we could look for patterns in historically flagged and killed posts. Is there a link where we can see what ideas are not suitable for individual consideration by HN subscribers? Such a list would be interesting, as would the lack of existence of such a list.
  - gerikson 5y ago
    https://orangesite.sneak.cloud/ https://orangesite.sneak.cloud/ shows links that have visited the front page and for how long.
    - mistermann 5y ago
      That's a very cool site, thanks! Although, does it differentiate between articles that fell off organically versus memory holing or other reasons? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole
      - gerikson 5y ago
        It doesn't attempt to determine the cause of a site leaving the front page.
version_five 5y ago
I largely agree with the conclusion / sentiment of the article, but honestly it wasn't very good, to the point where it reads more like a D-level school essay than an opinion piece. It starts with an unsupported assertion about shortages that doesn't match most reader's experience (there actually are shortages - the root cause is another matter - they could have pointed to). They then abruptly and with feeble logic jump to conclusion about the cause that they rail on at length so as to make it clear that's what they really want to talk about. Which could have been ok if it was reasoned and had a new point to offer, but instead just gets rammed in, disjointed from the segue. This kind of poorly reasoned writing makes it easy to dismiss the actual good points that might underlie it. I think it should have been ignored rather than flagged, but i also think upvoting it just helps build a strawman for proponents of what's going on to knock down.

jjulius 5y ago

I'd wager that if you, the author, or other people who commented in this thread could've shown evidence of an actual candy shortage this year, this wouldn't have been flagged.

mistermann 5y ago
How might such a wager be settled in this stream of reality? It can't entirely, but we could look for patterns in historically flagged and killed posts. Is there a link where we can see what ideas are not suitable for individual consideration by HN subscribers? Such a list would be interesting, as would the lack of existence of such a list.
- gerikson 5y ago
  https://orangesite.sneak.cloud/ https://orangesite.sneak.cloud/ shows links that have visited the front page and for how long.
  - mistermann 5y ago
    That's a very cool site, thanks! Although, does it differentiate between articles that fell off organically versus memory holing or other reasons? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_hole
    - gerikson 5y ago
      It doesn't attempt to determine the cause of a site leaving the front page.

version_five 5y ago

I largely agree with the conclusion / sentiment of the article, but honestly it wasn't very good, to the point where it reads more like a D-level school essay than an opinion piece. It starts with an unsupported assertion about shortages that doesn't match most reader's experience (there actually are shortages - the root cause is another matter - they could have pointed to). They then abruptly and with feeble logic jump to conclusion about the cause that they rail on at length so as to make it clear that's what they really want to talk about. Which could have been ok if it was reasoned and had a new point to offer, but instead just gets rammed in, disjointed from the segue. This kind of poorly reasoned writing makes it easy to dismiss the actual good points that might underlie it. I think it should have been ignored rather than flagged, but i also think upvoting it just helps build a strawman for proponents of what's going on to knock down.