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Are you seriously comparing drugs with transport?

by nec4b 5y ago

Aerroon 5y ago
Why not? The death and injury count for personal vehicles is very high. Why should the regular populace be allowed to operate such death machines?
- nec4b 5y ago
  I think what confuses you to make such a grotesque analogy between transportation and drugs is a belief that when it comes to drugs, people have the same agency and freedom of choice as they have for other things in life. But they don't. Once you follow that path, coming back is almost impossible. Addiction is very very hard to beat. Even if you somehow manage, it probably never goes away completely. You are not free to choose, drugs shutdown that part of the brain. I find it really immoral that we let vulnerable people have access to drugs like heroin. We are condemning them to suffer immensely.
  - Aerroon 5y ago
    And how easy is it to voluntarily give up using personal vehicles? You decide, against everything on our current society, to give up using cars. Do you think it would be easy? Cars might not be destroying our physical bodies directly, but they are harming nature. I'm not in favor of banning cars. I'm in favor of people having the freedom to choose. I also believe that if drugs weren't so heavily criminalized then people suffering from drug issues could more easily get help. Portugal decriminalized drugs and saw a lot of positive change. But over the last decade they've been putting up more limits again and the situation is deteriorating.
    - nec4b 5y ago
      Based on anecdotes here on HN, quite easily actually. They say that you only have to move to a city and you can be car free. I don't agree but it seems plenty of people here have achieved just that. Honestly it is really hard for me to have a discussion about this since I don't see any similarities between cars and drugs. A car is tool like any other. Drugs are poison, very much like a virus. Once on drugs people don't have freedom of choice any more. I think it is cruel to allow people easier access to drugs. Because most people who started taking them were already not in good place.

Are you seriously comparing drugs with transport?

by nec4b 5y ago

Are you seriously comparing drugs with transport?

Why not? The death and injury count for personal vehicles is very high. Why should the regular populace be allowed to operate such death machines?

nec4b 5y ago
I think what confuses you to make such a grotesque analogy between transportation and drugs is a belief that when it comes to drugs, people have the same agency and freedom of choice as they have for other things in life. But they don't. Once you follow that path, coming back is almost impossible. Addiction is very very hard to beat. Even if you somehow manage, it probably never goes away completely. You are not free to choose, drugs shutdown that part of the brain. I find it really immoral that we let vulnerable people have access to drugs like heroin. We are condemning them to suffer immensely.
- Aerroon 5y ago
  And how easy is it to voluntarily give up using personal vehicles? You decide, against everything on our current society, to give up using cars. Do you think it would be easy? Cars might not be destroying our physical bodies directly, but they are harming nature. I'm not in favor of banning cars. I'm in favor of people having the freedom to choose. I also believe that if drugs weren't so heavily criminalized then people suffering from drug issues could more easily get help. Portugal decriminalized drugs and saw a lot of positive change. But over the last decade they've been putting up more limits again and the situation is deteriorating.
  - nec4b 5y ago
    Based on anecdotes here on HN, quite easily actually. They say that you only have to move to a city and you can be car free. I don't agree but it seems plenty of people here have achieved just that. Honestly it is really hard for me to have a discussion about this since I don't see any similarities between cars and drugs. A car is tool like any other. Drugs are poison, very much like a virus. Once on drugs people don't have freedom of choice any more. I think it is cruel to allow people easier access to drugs. Because most people who started taking them were already not in good place.