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> and they could have gone about their lives and built up antibodies naturally, which would then make it safer for everyone else anyways. “Built up antibodies

> and they could have gone about their lives and built up antibodies naturally, which would then make it safer for everyone else anyways. “Built up antibodies naturally” is a coy way of saying kill the maximum number of people possible before reaching herd immunity. Given the rapid pace of vaccine development, strict measures to slow the spread of the virus seemed reasonable. Some countries, like New Zealand and Taiwan, will largely escape the pandemic unscathed.

sjwalter 5y ago
> “Built up antibodies naturally” is a coy way of saying kill the maximum number of people possible before reaching herd immunity. This is absurd in the extreme. The proposition was that those that are the least impacted by covid--specifically, those like me who are healthy, young, getting adequate sunlight--should not have to bear the responsibility for those who are vulnerable. Covid risk for people like me, and us healthy folk are a great large chunk of the population, is less than a typical flu. Since we don't have as extreme policy responses to the flu, do you characterize that as well as "kill the maximum number of people possible"? And saying that New Zealand came through unscathed I guess just shows how differently we think. The society has come to accept being forced into isolation, accept quarantines and curfews like their unruly teenagers, accept all manner of tyranny--to you, they're unscathed because they have fewer covid-related deaths. To me, covid-related deaths--which are dwarfed still in the USA by heart disease and cancer and other ailments, don't even rise to the level of general concern. Then again, I live in Montana. Everyone doesn't care. Only on the internet and talking to Canadian or coastal friends does it come up. Around here, you say covid, and a lot of folks probably think it's a migratory bird--then again, hunting season just opened up. And with all us ignoring this crazy pandemic, you know what? The world's not ending. No vaccine mandates. No mask mandates. Everyone's "unscathed".
- landryraccoon 5y ago
  > This is absurd in the extreme. The proposition was that those that are the least impacted by covid--specifically, those like me who are healthy, young, getting adequate sunlight--should not have to bear the responsibility for those who are vulnerable. We have radically different values. Of course the strongest and most able in society have to bear the majority of the burdens. That simply seems morally obvious. The rich should pay more taxes than the poor. The young and healthy fight in the military and not the old and infirm. Adult children will make personal sacrifices to save their elderly parents. What about asking the healthy to make sacrifices to protect the weak is unjust? A world view of “let the weak fend for themselves for the strong should take what they want” is utterly repugnant.
  - sjwalter 5y ago
    Kids are the least at risk of covid. Should they bear the most responsibility? Lol.
    - landryraccoon 5y ago
      How are kids bearing responsibility? It seems to me kids are doing fine with social distancing, mask wearing and all. Parents complain about their kids masking up more than the kids do. But the ultimate way kids are being forced to bear responsibility is their parents dying from covid and leaving them as orphans. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p1007-covid-19-orphaned-children.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p1007-covid-19-orpha... https://time.com/6104829/us-covid-orphans/ https://time.com/6104829/us-covid-orphans/ If you don’t want kids to have to bear responsibility with covid, don’t let their parents die from it.
- moistly 5y ago
  > Covid risk for people like me, and us healthy folk are a great large chunk of the population, is less than a typical flu. Is it? There sure seem to be a lot of long-term side-effects with covid that people do not get from the “flu” (and IMO most people say they had the “flu” when really what they had was a cold.) > Everyone’s “unscathed” JFC. 17 covid deaths a day this week, and everyone is “unscathed”? What a terrible and false claim to have made. I won’t dwell on the thousands—likely tens of thousands, based on the state’s cases—of your fellow citizens who didn’t die, they’re just permanently disabled. “Unscathed.” Wow.
m0zg 5y ago
> Some countries, like New Zealand and Taiwan, will largely escape the pandemic unscathed You've been lied to. It's an endemic disease which 100% of the population will eventually get. It's just that with vaccines a lot fewer older people will die, and a lot fewer middle aged people will experience health issues for an extended period of time. Before vaccines came to market, I could understand what they're doing, but now it doesn't make any sense: they're just postponing the inevitable - the only way out is through. They should vaccinate as many people as they can and remove all restrictions.

sjwalter 5y ago

> “Built up antibodies naturally” is a coy way of saying kill the maximum number of people possible before reaching herd immunity. This is absurd in the extreme. The proposition was that those that are the least impacted by covid--specifically, those like me who are healthy, young, getting adequate sunlight--should not have to bear the responsibility for those who are vulnerable. Covid risk for people like me, and us healthy folk are a great large chunk of the population, is less than a typical flu. Since we don't have as extreme policy responses to the flu, do you characterize that as well as "kill the maximum number of people possible"? And saying that New Zealand came through unscathed I guess just shows how differently we think. The society has come to accept being forced into isolation, accept quarantines and curfews like their unruly teenagers, accept all manner of tyranny--to you, they're unscathed because they have fewer covid-related deaths. To me, covid-related deaths--which are dwarfed still in the USA by heart disease and cancer and other ailments, don't even rise to the level of general concern. Then again, I live in Montana. Everyone doesn't care. Only on the internet and talking to Canadian or coastal friends does it come up. Around here, you say covid, and a lot of folks probably think it's a migratory bird--then again, hunting season just opened up. And with all us ignoring this crazy pandemic, you know what? The world's not ending. No vaccine mandates. No mask mandates. Everyone's "unscathed".

landryraccoon 5y ago
> This is absurd in the extreme. The proposition was that those that are the least impacted by covid--specifically, those like me who are healthy, young, getting adequate sunlight--should not have to bear the responsibility for those who are vulnerable. We have radically different values. Of course the strongest and most able in society have to bear the majority of the burdens. That simply seems morally obvious. The rich should pay more taxes than the poor. The young and healthy fight in the military and not the old and infirm. Adult children will make personal sacrifices to save their elderly parents. What about asking the healthy to make sacrifices to protect the weak is unjust? A world view of “let the weak fend for themselves for the strong should take what they want” is utterly repugnant.
- sjwalter 5y ago
  Kids are the least at risk of covid. Should they bear the most responsibility? Lol.
  - landryraccoon 5y ago
    How are kids bearing responsibility? It seems to me kids are doing fine with social distancing, mask wearing and all. Parents complain about their kids masking up more than the kids do. But the ultimate way kids are being forced to bear responsibility is their parents dying from covid and leaving them as orphans. https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p1007-covid-19-orphaned-children.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/p1007-covid-19-orpha... https://time.com/6104829/us-covid-orphans/ https://time.com/6104829/us-covid-orphans/ If you don’t want kids to have to bear responsibility with covid, don’t let their parents die from it.
moistly 5y ago
> Covid risk for people like me, and us healthy folk are a great large chunk of the population, is less than a typical flu. Is it? There sure seem to be a lot of long-term side-effects with covid that people do not get from the “flu” (and IMO most people say they had the “flu” when really what they had was a cold.) > Everyone’s “unscathed” JFC. 17 covid deaths a day this week, and everyone is “unscathed”? What a terrible and false claim to have made. I won’t dwell on the thousands—likely tens of thousands, based on the state’s cases—of your fellow citizens who didn’t die, they’re just permanently disabled. “Unscathed.” Wow.

m0zg 5y ago

> Some countries, like New Zealand and Taiwan, will largely escape the pandemic unscathed You've been lied to. It's an endemic disease which 100% of the population will eventually get. It's just that with vaccines a lot fewer older people will die, and a lot fewer middle aged people will experience health issues for an extended period of time. Before vaccines came to market, I could understand what they're doing, but now it doesn't make any sense: they're just postponing the inevitable - the only way out is through. They should vaccinate as many people as they can and remove all restrictions.