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Note that natural immunity provides even more pressure to mutate because it's likely to be targeted against more unstable parts of the virus. We are already se

Note that natural immunity provides even more pressure to mutate because it's likely to be targeted against more unstable parts of the virus. We are already seeing this in action--while natural immunity provides very good protection against reinfection *with that strain* it doesn't do so well against other strains. The good vaccines (not the killed-virus Chinese garbage) deals with variants better than prior infection. And the vaccine *does* provide protection against Delta--you're less likely to get it and if you do get it it generally is less serious. Being vaccinated cuts your death rate 10x. Natural immunity isn't going to happen, we have seen far too many cases of reinfection with different variants. The more we see the more hopeless the death cult approach looks.

penultimatebro 5y ago
>We are already seeing this in action--while natural immunity provides very good protection against reinfection with that strain it doesn't do so well against other strains. Please post some proof to corroborate any of this. I assume you’re talking about COVID strains here? >Natural immunity isn’t going to happen, we have seen far too many cases of reinfection with different variants. Again, source desperately needed here. I’m more than willing to change my take but only with hard data, not sweeping generalizations based on a misunderstanding of how natural immunity works.
- LorenPechtel 5y ago
  I didn't save links, a couple of recent reports: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-what-kind-of-immunity-offers-the-highest-protection#Natural-immunity-and-one-vaccination-may-offer-best-protection https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-what... https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr... We see a lot of data from Israel because they made a deal with Pfizer early on to trade early access to vaccine for allowing Pfizer access to anonymized health records about vaccination and infection. Thus they have some of the best data around on the effect of the Pfizer shot on a population scale.

penultimatebro 5y ago

>We are already seeing this in action--while natural immunity provides very good protection against reinfection with that strain it doesn't do so well against other strains. Please post some proof to corroborate any of this. I assume you’re talking about COVID strains here? >Natural immunity isn’t going to happen, we have seen far too many cases of reinfection with different variants. Again, source desperately needed here. I’m more than willing to change my take but only with hard data, not sweeping generalizations based on a misunderstanding of how natural immunity works.

LorenPechtel 5y ago
I didn't save links, a couple of recent reports: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-what-kind-of-immunity-offers-the-highest-protection#Natural-immunity-and-one-vaccination-may-offer-best-protection https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/delta-variant-what... https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2021/s0806-vaccination-pr... We see a lot of data from Israel because they made a deal with Pfizer early on to trade early access to vaccine for allowing Pfizer access to anonymized health records about vaccination and infection. Thus they have some of the best data around on the effect of the Pfizer shot on a population scale.