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I was under impression that many of the European migrants from Africa are essentially the children of the upper-middle class there as that's pretty much a requi

I was under impression that many of the European migrants from Africa are essentially the children of the upper-middle class there as that's pretty much a requirement to be able to afford the quite sizable cost of transportation and various semi-legal obstacles; someone who has "failed at much beyond subsistence agriculture in their home countries" simply can't afford to get from Somalia to Denmark; both for refugees and economic migration you would expect to get disproportionally the wealthier/powerful segments of their society.

ByteJockey 5y ago
My understanding is that since Africa is connected to Europe by either land or a very small amount of water, you tend to get the same situation as Mexican immigrants into the US. You're optimizing more for risk-takers instead of wealth (which actually works pretty well with the US's culture, but might not in continental Europe). African immigrants to the US, on the other hand, tend to be quite wealthy/well educated. I think at one point Nigerian applicants for US citizenship were the most educated nationality. Presumably this is because the sheer cost of going there filters out a lot of people.
Factorium 5y ago
Villages will band together to finance people smugglers to take a few of their young men to Europe. The expectation is that from welfare and cash jobs, they will send money back and repay the loan. That's why the boats you see full of migrants are typically 100% male. The work they perform in Europe is menial labour that could be performed by robots. They rarely end up in factories because that work requires skilled labour and literacy. The migrants are rarely literate in their own languages, let alone Italian/German. They end up in places like this: https://www.dw.com/en/spains-sea-of-plastic-where-europe-gets-its-produce-migrants-get-exploited/a-47824476 https://www.dw.com/en/spains-sea-of-plastic-where-europe-get... Its social and economic destruction for the sake of cheap vegetables and virtue signaling. You're right about the educated migrants though. Pre-2015, if you saw a person from one of these regions in Europe, they would typically be a businessman or university student, and were treated well. Attitudes are now different because of the huge influx of uneducated and often dangerous individuals from the same places. You can see it in the USA Household Income stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U... Groups that were brought in as refugees have very poor incomes, whilst those who came over as students and businessworkers have high ones.
- baybal2 5y ago
  I think you know very little of manufacturing. I worked in the industry for 10 years. The two best mechanical engineers I knew weren't engineers as such, as they had no university education. People who talk of robotisation rarely ever dealt with one, and if did they often go back. >> That's why the boats you see full of migrants are typically 100% male. That's even better honestly. They don't bring families, they will work more, and will not take maternity leaves. >> Villages will band together to finance people smugglers to take a few of their young men to Europe. Why actually not to make it more civilised, and put a visa on deposit. The deposit goes towards initial accomodations, and most basic courses/boot camp. If everything goes well, the guy can draw it once his taxes exceed that amount n-fold. > The migrants are rarely literate in their own languages, let alone Italian/German. That's because most of Africa speaks either French, or English. You see very little Bantu speakers in Europe.

ByteJockey 5y ago

My understanding is that since Africa is connected to Europe by either land or a very small amount of water, you tend to get the same situation as Mexican immigrants into the US. You're optimizing more for risk-takers instead of wealth (which actually works pretty well with the US's culture, but might not in continental Europe). African immigrants to the US, on the other hand, tend to be quite wealthy/well educated. I think at one point Nigerian applicants for US citizenship were the most educated nationality. Presumably this is because the sheer cost of going there filters out a lot of people.

Factorium 5y ago

Villages will band together to finance people smugglers to take a few of their young men to Europe. The expectation is that from welfare and cash jobs, they will send money back and repay the loan. That's why the boats you see full of migrants are typically 100% male. The work they perform in Europe is menial labour that could be performed by robots. They rarely end up in factories because that work requires skilled labour and literacy. The migrants are rarely literate in their own languages, let alone Italian/German. They end up in places like this: https://www.dw.com/en/spains-sea-of-plastic-where-europe-gets-its-produce-migrants-get-exploited/a-47824476 https://www.dw.com/en/spains-sea-of-plastic-where-europe-get... Its social and economic destruction for the sake of cheap vegetables and virtue signaling. You're right about the educated migrants though. Pre-2015, if you saw a person from one of these regions in Europe, they would typically be a businessman or university student, and were treated well. Attitudes are now different because of the huge influx of uneducated and often dangerous individuals from the same places. You can see it in the USA Household Income stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U... Groups that were brought in as refugees have very poor incomes, whilst those who came over as students and businessworkers have high ones.

baybal2 5y ago
I think you know very little of manufacturing. I worked in the industry for 10 years. The two best mechanical engineers I knew weren't engineers as such, as they had no university education. People who talk of robotisation rarely ever dealt with one, and if did they often go back. >> That's why the boats you see full of migrants are typically 100% male. That's even better honestly. They don't bring families, they will work more, and will not take maternity leaves. >> Villages will band together to finance people smugglers to take a few of their young men to Europe. Why actually not to make it more civilised, and put a visa on deposit. The deposit goes towards initial accomodations, and most basic courses/boot camp. If everything goes well, the guy can draw it once his taxes exceed that amount n-fold. > The migrants are rarely literate in their own languages, let alone Italian/German. That's because most of Africa speaks either French, or English. You see very little Bantu speakers in Europe.