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They have quarter of a million African refugees to house. I think the solution is obvious.
by baybal2 5y ago
They have quarter of a million African refugees to house. I think the solution is obvious.
- Mikeb85 5y agoIt's not that simple since those refugees need to be productive. Are they going to create businesses? Invest in the town? There's a reason they usually go to larger cities... Schemes like this try usually try to attract rich foreigners or educated professionals looking to opt-out of the rat race for the investment angle. Not just labour.
- baybal2 5y agoNo rich foreigners are needed. You need healthy, young, and muscular foreigners. And not lazy ones.
- Factorium 5y agoThis is not the Roman Empire. Those same healthy young men failed at much beyond subsistence agriculture in their home countries. IQ - a factor of genetics and upbringing - is far more important. Predilection away from violence and crime is another. Most of the migrants from Africa/Middle East represent huge social and economic burdens that might very will permanently sink some European countries, given the differential levels of fertility between the native and introduced populations. Non-Western migrants in Denmark cost that country about 10% of its total Government spending: https://www.thelocal.dk/20211015/denmark-says-non-western-immigrants-cost-state-31-billion-kroner/ https://www.thelocal.dk/20211015/denmark-says-non-western-im... https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark/government-spending#:~:text=Government%20Spending%20in%20Denmark%20averaged,the%20first%20quarter%20of%201991 https://tradingeconomics.com/denmark/government-spending#:~:.... Here's social welfare use in the Netherlands: http://i.imgur.com/dqTa8d4.png http://i.imgur.com/dqTa8d4.png
- baybal2 5y ago> economic burdens that might very will permanently sink some European countries, given the differential levels of fertility between the native and introduced populations. And yes, EU needs productive people, I mean people who can breed well to repopulate its greying small towns. Native population wait until mid thirties, or not having any. A simple math tells you will soon run out of tax payers to support the government, and the government will collapse.
- PeterisP 5y agoI was under impression that many of the European migrants from Africa are essentially the children of the upper-middle class there as that's pretty much a requirement to be able to afford the quite sizable cost of transportation and various semi-legal obstacles; someone who has "failed at much beyond subsistence agriculture in their home countries" simply can't afford to get from Somalia to Denmark; both for refugees and economic migration you would expect to get disproportionally the wealthier/powerful segments of their society.
- ByteJockey 5y agoMy understanding is that since Africa is connected to Europe by either land or a very small amount of water, you tend to get the same situation as Mexican immigrants into the US. You're optimizing more for risk-takers instead of wealth (which actually works pretty well with the US's culture, but might not in continental Europe). African immigrants to the US, on the other hand, tend to be quite wealthy/well educated. I think at one point Nigerian applicants for US citizenship were the most educated nationality. Presumably this is because the sheer cost of going there filters out a lot of people.
- Factorium 5y agoVillages will band together to finance people smugglers to take a few of their young men to Europe. The expectation is that from welfare and cash jobs, they will send money back and repay the loan. That's why the boats you see full of migrants are typically 100% male. The work they perform in Europe is menial labour that could be performed by robots. They rarely end up in factories because that work requires skilled labour and literacy. The migrants are rarely literate in their own languages, let alone Italian/German. They end up in places like this: https://www.dw.com/en/spains-sea-of-plastic-where-europe-gets-its-produce-migrants-get-exploited/a-47824476 https://www.dw.com/en/spains-sea-of-plastic-where-europe-get... Its social and economic destruction for the sake of cheap vegetables and virtue signaling. You're right about the educated migrants though. Pre-2015, if you saw a person from one of these regions in Europe, they would typically be a businessman or university student, and were treated well. Attitudes are now different because of the huge influx of uneducated and often dangerous individuals from the same places. You can see it in the USA Household Income stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_United_States_by_household_income https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_groups_in_the_U... Groups that were brought in as refugees have very poor incomes, whilst those who came over as students and businessworkers have high ones.
- PeterisP 5y agoThose rural areas generally have a problem of unemployment and lack of jobs. These villages do not need" healthy, young and muscular foreigners (though the few employers e.g. large farms might prefer cheap slave-like labor to local laborers), they really do need rich foreigners or educated professionals (who are going to be working remotely) to create some extra demand for local labor, not compete with it.
- Mikeb85 5y agoThe whole problem is that young Italians leave these towns looking for work. They need money to come to town to spur demand. Adding more labour doesn't solve the problem. Italy has plenty of young foreigners but they aren't moving to these small towns.
- baybal2 5y agoThe official sources tell a very different story: http://www.fruitnet.com/eurofruit/article/181149/labour-shortage-a-major-concern-for-italy http://www.fruitnet.com/eurofruit/article/181149/labour-shor...
- Mikeb85 5y agoThe regions selling 1€ homes are far away from Emilia-Romagna... ER is an agricultural and industrial hub. Might as well compare California and South Dakota or something.
- xunn0026 5y agoObviously they don't really need just new blood. They need some new money too!