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Just curious -- how does this mindset handle having kids that grow up in a loving and positive environment?
by aik 15y ago
Just curious -- how does this mindset handle having kids that grow up in a loving and positive environment?
- r00fus 15y agoDo what they do in other civilized countries like France... allow non-marriage unions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacte_civil_de_solidarité http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacte_civil_de_solidarité The union isn't just for same-sex couples, but also for non-standard families like say siblings w.o parents and such... it would be perfect as it eschews traditional mores and keeps the good part of marriages.
- aik 15y agoSorry let me explain -- I'm not talking about a lack of marriage, but lack of a stable union. The incentive to "give up" is so much stronger when you can just leave when (not "if") life's ubiquitous unpredictable and uncontrollable difficulties arise. So naturally there's a much greater chance of not having that positive environment...
- r00fus 15y agoAnd what I'm saying is that the PACS (the french civil union) is actually a very strong contract, just not bound up with traditional titles and roles like {husband=breadwinner,wife=homemaker}. In fact today, over 95% of civil unions in France are heterosexual couples: "Although originally intended for same-sex couples, currently in France the majority of couples taking advantage of its law are now heterosexual couples who for one reason or another choose civil union rather than marriage, and that more heterosexual couples are opting for civil union rather than marriage. In fact, this trend was already in place in 2000, with 75% of unions between heterosexual couples (42% the previous years) and 95% in 2009." If these folks didn't have the stability of an enforceable social contract (and tax benefits), most probably wouldn't marry either.
- xsmasher 15y agoIs marriage a requirement or a guarantor of a loving and positive environment?
- aik 15y agoSorry let me explain -- I'm not talking about a lack of marriage, but lack of a stable union. The incentive to "give up" is so much stronger when you can just leave when (not "if") life's ubiquitous unpredictable and uncontrollable difficulties arise. So naturally there's a much greater chance of not having that positive environment...
- burgerbrain 15y agoIt is an unrelated topic.
- sliverstorm 15y agoLet me clarify- you are saying that children are unrelated to marriage?
- burgerbrain 15y agoYou know full well what I am saying. The concept of legally binding marriage and a "loving and positive environment" are fundamentally unrelated. Little Johnny doesn't know or care if the government sanctions his parental figures' relationship. In fact, the only case in which Little Johnny might become aware of the governments involvement is when the resulting legal/social/economic pressure causes a dramatic deterioration of this "loving and positive environment".
- sliverstorm 15y agoI suggest you extrapolate just a tad more next time. I may have a good guess at what you are saying, but that doesn't mean you don't need to say it.