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>And this is where I stopped God I'm so sick of these holier than thou Richard Stallman level unrealistic dismissals. This take isn't brilliant - we all, at al

>And this is where I stopped God I'm so sick of these holier than thou Richard Stallman level unrealistic dismissals. This take isn't brilliant - we all, at all times, know that we have the option to not ____ if we so choose. Not unlike how people say things like "well I would just choose not to work at ____". That we often choose otherwise means we can't but. >You should pressure the vendor to correctly support their devices. Cool like by means of a blogpost that makes it to the top of hn that details how annoying the vendor's process is?

marcodiego 5y ago
> >And this is where I stopped > > God I'm so sick of these holier than thou Richard Stallman level unrealistic dismissals. I understand your position, but they correctly support their device on linux, I'm sure they can do it on other OS's. > >You should pressure the vendor to correctly support their devices. > > Cool like by means of a blogpost that makes it to the top of hn that details how annoying the vendor's process is? I think this is a good step. But people not buying it and pressuring the vendor to correctly support the device is not mutually exclusive. We must consider that it is lack of knowledge and complacency from users that incentivizes vendors to act in such an abusive way. Sorry to sound stallman-like. I just wanted to raise attention to an important point that is mostly ignored.
- m4rtink 5y ago
  Is it actually Wacom maintaining the Linux Wacom drivers or is it community maintained ?
  - marcodiego 5y ago
    Copyright in https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/hid/wacom.h https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/hid/w... include an e-mail with "@wacom.com". So, AFAIK, they pay developers to maintain the drivers.
jacquesm 5y ago
If you're so sick of those comments then what are you doing here, with your 50 day old account telling people off that have been here for many years? This community has been a bit sharper than most when it comes to the kind of side-effects that seem to be part and parcel of the tech world and if that's not to your liking it confuses me why you would join.
AshamedCaptain 5y ago
By the same logic: I'm sick of those that proselytize electric cars, since not everyone has the option. I'm sick of those that proselytize walking/biking to work, since not everyone has the option. I'm sick of those that proselytize recycling, since not everyone has the option. I'm sick of those that proselytize philanthropy, since not everyone has the option. I'm the first one who thinks these small sacrifices are probably not worth it since the sacrifice is usually way too much (handicapping yourself significantly) and the benefits practically negligible (i.e. small droplet in the ocean and all that). Much better to spend your efforts on political campaigns rather than this type of small-time stuff which yes, is mostly just for the show. But what I'm sick of is the people who not only refuse to just bow down and shut up when presented with people that do make the sacrifice, but are instead outright hostile to them.
- wtallis 5y ago
  It is possible to promote better alternatives without being smug or taking a holier-than-thou attitude. But you're not going to convince anyone to switch with a comment that presumes your alternative is already the default and that everyone will know what you're talking about, rather than actually name and explain the alternative.
  - marcodiego 5y ago
    I want to make it clear that "taking a holier-than-thou attitude" was never my intention. I wanted to highlight the fact that the title is wrong, and it indeed is, and that users complacency with abuse from the vendors do not help.
    - wtallis 5y ago
      You really weren't trying to communicate clearly. Repeatedly referring to "a different driver" or "a specific driver" when you meant "the driver for a different operating system", and writing comments that presume (but only implicitly) a Linux context when the original blog post is analyzing the macOS driver is less than helpful. You also seemed to be going out of your way to avoid mentioning other operating systems by name. Everything you've said in this thread could have been more clearly and helpfully condensed to "the Linux driver doesn't include this behavior, and probably never could because it's open-source and upstreamed to the kernel".

marcodiego 5y ago

> >And this is where I stopped > > God I'm so sick of these holier than thou Richard Stallman level unrealistic dismissals. I understand your position, but they correctly support their device on linux, I'm sure they can do it on other OS's. > >You should pressure the vendor to correctly support their devices. > > Cool like by means of a blogpost that makes it to the top of hn that details how annoying the vendor's process is? I think this is a good step. But people not buying it and pressuring the vendor to correctly support the device is not mutually exclusive. We must consider that it is lack of knowledge and complacency from users that incentivizes vendors to act in such an abusive way. Sorry to sound stallman-like. I just wanted to raise attention to an important point that is mostly ignored.

m4rtink 5y ago
Is it actually Wacom maintaining the Linux Wacom drivers or is it community maintained ?
- marcodiego 5y ago
  Copyright in https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/hid/wacom.h https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/drivers/hid/w... include an e-mail with "@wacom.com". So, AFAIK, they pay developers to maintain the drivers.

jacquesm 5y ago

If you're so sick of those comments then what are you doing here, with your 50 day old account telling people off that have been here for many years? This community has been a bit sharper than most when it comes to the kind of side-effects that seem to be part and parcel of the tech world and if that's not to your liking it confuses me why you would join.

AshamedCaptain 5y ago

By the same logic: I'm sick of those that proselytize electric cars, since not everyone has the option. I'm sick of those that proselytize walking/biking to work, since not everyone has the option. I'm sick of those that proselytize recycling, since not everyone has the option. I'm sick of those that proselytize philanthropy, since not everyone has the option. I'm the first one who thinks these small sacrifices are probably not worth it since the sacrifice is usually way too much (handicapping yourself significantly) and the benefits practically negligible (i.e. small droplet in the ocean and all that). Much better to spend your efforts on political campaigns rather than this type of small-time stuff which yes, is mostly just for the show. But what I'm sick of is the people who not only refuse to just bow down and shut up when presented with people that do make the sacrifice, but are instead outright hostile to them.

wtallis 5y ago
It is possible to promote better alternatives without being smug or taking a holier-than-thou attitude. But you're not going to convince anyone to switch with a comment that presumes your alternative is already the default and that everyone will know what you're talking about, rather than actually name and explain the alternative.
- marcodiego 5y ago
  I want to make it clear that "taking a holier-than-thou attitude" was never my intention. I wanted to highlight the fact that the title is wrong, and it indeed is, and that users complacency with abuse from the vendors do not help.
  - wtallis 5y ago
    You really weren't trying to communicate clearly. Repeatedly referring to "a different driver" or "a specific driver" when you meant "the driver for a different operating system", and writing comments that presume (but only implicitly) a Linux context when the original blog post is analyzing the macOS driver is less than helpful. You also seemed to be going out of your way to avoid mentioning other operating systems by name. Everything you've said in this thread could have been more clearly and helpfully condensed to "the Linux driver doesn't include this behavior, and probably never could because it's open-source and upstreamed to the kernel".