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I agree with the parent's claim. This kind of consequentialist thinking is highly fashionable and increasingly vacuous. We should be less concerned with conseq

by slibhb 5y ago

I agree with the parent's claim. This kind of consequentialist thinking is highly fashionable and increasingly vacuous. We should be less concerned with consequences and more concerned with actions in themselves. Buying an iphone is not "supporting slave labor". Paying taxes is not supporting your government's foreign policy. Turning on the heater is not killing the planet. > eliding the simple fact that buying products from a company, shitty or otherwise, is literally supporting that company and its owners. No, it's literally paying money in exchange for a good or service. > I can't think of a more meaningful way to support something than to give it money... You can't? That's somewhat shocking.

revolvingocelot 5y ago
Buying a product of slave labour isn't supporting slave labour? If no one bought the slave labour object, would the slaves continue to make them? >>> eliding the simple fact that buying products from a company, shitty or otherwise, is literally supporting that company and its owners. >No, it's literally paying money in exchange for a good or service. No, it's supporting the company. The company wouldn't exist if buying things from it didn't support it. Companies need money to support their supply chains, workers, and management, in order to sell things in order to make money. What does "supporting a company" mean to you? Taking it out to the pub after a bad breakup? Ridiculous. Companies, the general economic unit of our capitalist world, are fed by money, be it VC or customer. "Vote with your dollar" is woefully inadequate to address the problem, but beyond building pipe bombs it's the most efficacious tool we as individuals can wield.
- slibhb 5y ago
  Buying something is not "literally supporting anything," it is exchanging money for a good or service. It is reasonable to not buy something from a company because you dislike the company (hopefully for some factual reason). It isn't reasonable to equate buying something with "supporting slavery". Your moral thinking is so impoverished that you conclude by recommending "building pipe bombs". Back to the drawing board.
  - revolvingocelot 5y ago
    Well, if giving a company money doesn't support it, then you're absolutely right. But, of course, giving a company money does indeed support it, and insulting me doesn't change that. Your moral thinking is so incredibly wealthy that you can't accept that financially supporting slavery is wrong.

by slibhb 5y ago

revolvingocelot 5y ago

Buying a product of slave labour isn't supporting slave labour? If no one bought the slave labour object, would the slaves continue to make them? >>> eliding the simple fact that buying products from a company, shitty or otherwise, is literally supporting that company and its owners. >No, it's literally paying money in exchange for a good or service. No, it's supporting the company. The company wouldn't exist if buying things from it didn't support it. Companies need money to support their supply chains, workers, and management, in order to sell things in order to make money. What does "supporting a company" mean to you? Taking it out to the pub after a bad breakup? Ridiculous. Companies, the general economic unit of our capitalist world, are fed by money, be it VC or customer. "Vote with your dollar" is woefully inadequate to address the problem, but beyond building pipe bombs it's the most efficacious tool we as individuals can wield.

slibhb 5y ago
Buying something is not "literally supporting anything," it is exchanging money for a good or service. It is reasonable to not buy something from a company because you dislike the company (hopefully for some factual reason). It isn't reasonable to equate buying something with "supporting slavery". Your moral thinking is so impoverished that you conclude by recommending "building pipe bombs". Back to the drawing board.
- revolvingocelot 5y ago
  Well, if giving a company money doesn't support it, then you're absolutely right. But, of course, giving a company money does indeed support it, and insulting me doesn't change that. Your moral thinking is so incredibly wealthy that you can't accept that financially supporting slavery is wrong.