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>> really really is something I hate With such attitude you either should switch away from dev completely or suck it up and start setting specific goals and le

>> really really is something I hate With such attitude you either should switch away from dev completely or suck it up and start setting specific goals and learning to enjoy the process. One example of a good goal - find a fulltime remote job in a good tech company. Another — run away from corrupted country and start a new professional life somewhere else.

tluyben2 5y ago
> With such attitude you either should switch away from dev completely or suck it up and start setting specific goals and learning to enjoy the process Why? I hate frontend too after having done 'fullstack' for over 30 years and I wish I never did (could've spent my time optimizing my skills; which I am doing now). I think it is good to recognize this and focus on the things you like; for me: backend and embedded. Enough really well paid work is there anyway without the frontend stuff.
- aristofun 5y ago
  I don't like frontend either, but I'm not wining emotionally about it on forums. So my comment was provocative intentionally, to make OP take a bit wider perspective.
  - antisol 5y ago
    > I'm not wining emotionally about it on forums No, instead you're whining on forums about people "wining" on forums. Which is much less productive than seeking career advice.
antisol 5y ago
> With such attitude you either should switch away from dev completely or suck it up Talk about attitude! You talk like the front end web quagmire is the only kind of dev there is. And you talk like it's easy to just up and leave your country. And you talk like your politicians aren't just as corrupt. As if they weren't responsible for the state Iraq is in. but... There is one kernel of good advice there, though: remote work is awesome and there's lots of it out there, particularly if you're skilled. If you're struggling to find local work that you like, maybe try to find something remote? OP: I think based on what you've said, you should forget front end web dev, it's horrible in every way. Find something you like. Backend and devops is good, IMO. I saw someone else suggest native android, you might enjoy that. The trick is to find something that's in demand that's enjoyable (or at least tolerable) and be awesome at it. If you've got a keyboard and an internet connection you have everything you need to be a dev. I remember being your age. It felt like I had been working hard and getting nowhere for ages. But the truth is that I had been taking small steps the whole time. Gradually learning stuff and improving my skills (and there's more to a career than just technical skills). Things change constantly, but they just never quite seem to change exactly how we'd like or as fast as we'd like. I think you just have to learn to be chill with that to some extent. And to stick at it.
- aristofun 5y ago
  My comment was intentionally a bit provocative, but since you replied... >> And you talk like it's easy to just up and leave your country When you're programmer and you're 25 it is. Even with a family. >> And you talk like your politicians aren't just as corrupt. As if they weren't responsible for the state Iraq is in. No matter what's the answer — this is a reactive victim's position, looking for external excuse to own problems. This is the last thing that could help OP right now. If he really wants to change something, of course.
  - 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
    > When you're programmer and you're 25 it is. Even with a family. Just out of curiosity, which country are you originally from, and where have you moved to? Because I too live in a third world country, and it's not easy to do at all. The rich "West" has put huge barriers on immigration (which is their right and I respect that), and only the very best (or rich) can move there though education or work visas. The mediocre one among us (like me) have no chance at all. I can always move to another poor shithole, of course… that's easy, but pointless.
    - aristofun 5y ago
      Check Canada, although there're plenty job relocation opportunities for good programmers in many european countries, afaik.
      - antisol 5y ago
        You didn't answer the question. Maybe you forgot. I'm curious about this too, so I'll just paste the question here again for you: which country are you originally from, and where have you moved to?
    - muzani 5y ago
      I echo this. I have really good stats but most richer countries are hostile to immigrants. Even if you get past that barrier, many are hostile to Muslims, Muslim lifestyles, or middle eastern people. I respect people who emigrate. Much of the time you risk being in a worse position, which is why it's usually the hardcore poor who emigrate. A lot of working visas also don't allow the spouse to work or don't allow part time jobs. Many employers expect you to "do the calculations", which is basically they'll pay whatever they do, and you figure out how to live with it.
potta_coffee 5y ago
Successful dev here, I hate CSS too. Find a niche that doesn't require CSS or requires it less often. I write tools and cloud automation.

tluyben2 5y ago

> With such attitude you either should switch away from dev completely or suck it up and start setting specific goals and learning to enjoy the process Why? I hate frontend too after having done 'fullstack' for over 30 years and I wish I never did (could've spent my time optimizing my skills; which I am doing now). I think it is good to recognize this and focus on the things you like; for me: backend and embedded. Enough really well paid work is there anyway without the frontend stuff.

aristofun 5y ago
I don't like frontend either, but I'm not wining emotionally about it on forums. So my comment was provocative intentionally, to make OP take a bit wider perspective.
- antisol 5y ago
  > I'm not wining emotionally about it on forums No, instead you're whining on forums about people "wining" on forums. Which is much less productive than seeking career advice.

antisol 5y ago

> With such attitude you either should switch away from dev completely or suck it up Talk about attitude! You talk like the front end web quagmire is the only kind of dev there is. And you talk like it's easy to just up and leave your country. And you talk like your politicians aren't just as corrupt. As if they weren't responsible for the state Iraq is in. but... There is one kernel of good advice there, though: remote work is awesome and there's lots of it out there, particularly if you're skilled. If you're struggling to find local work that you like, maybe try to find something remote? OP: I think based on what you've said, you should forget front end web dev, it's horrible in every way. Find something you like. Backend and devops is good, IMO. I saw someone else suggest native android, you might enjoy that. The trick is to find something that's in demand that's enjoyable (or at least tolerable) and be awesome at it. If you've got a keyboard and an internet connection you have everything you need to be a dev. I remember being your age. It felt like I had been working hard and getting nowhere for ages. But the truth is that I had been taking small steps the whole time. Gradually learning stuff and improving my skills (and there's more to a career than just technical skills). Things change constantly, but they just never quite seem to change exactly how we'd like or as fast as we'd like. I think you just have to learn to be chill with that to some extent. And to stick at it.

aristofun 5y ago
My comment was intentionally a bit provocative, but since you replied... >> And you talk like it's easy to just up and leave your country When you're programmer and you're 25 it is. Even with a family. >> And you talk like your politicians aren't just as corrupt. As if they weren't responsible for the state Iraq is in. No matter what's the answer — this is a reactive victim's position, looking for external excuse to own problems. This is the last thing that could help OP right now. If he really wants to change something, of course.
- 5e92cb50239222b 5y ago
  > When you're programmer and you're 25 it is. Even with a family. Just out of curiosity, which country are you originally from, and where have you moved to? Because I too live in a third world country, and it's not easy to do at all. The rich "West" has put huge barriers on immigration (which is their right and I respect that), and only the very best (or rich) can move there though education or work visas. The mediocre one among us (like me) have no chance at all. I can always move to another poor shithole, of course… that's easy, but pointless.
  - aristofun 5y ago
    Check Canada, although there're plenty job relocation opportunities for good programmers in many european countries, afaik.
    - antisol 5y ago
      You didn't answer the question. Maybe you forgot. I'm curious about this too, so I'll just paste the question here again for you: which country are you originally from, and where have you moved to?
  - muzani 5y ago
    I echo this. I have really good stats but most richer countries are hostile to immigrants. Even if you get past that barrier, many are hostile to Muslims, Muslim lifestyles, or middle eastern people. I respect people who emigrate. Much of the time you risk being in a worse position, which is why it's usually the hardcore poor who emigrate. A lot of working visas also don't allow the spouse to work or don't allow part time jobs. Many employers expect you to "do the calculations", which is basically they'll pay whatever they do, and you figure out how to live with it.

potta_coffee 5y ago

Successful dev here, I hate CSS too. Find a niche that doesn't require CSS or requires it less often. I write tools and cloud automation.