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> Not really. Opening up electronics, fiddling with them, and then plugging them in, is pretty typically considered dangerous. With a microwave, just opening i
by avianlyric 5y ago
> Not really. Opening up electronics, fiddling with them, and then plugging them in, is pretty typically considered dangerous.
With a microwave, just opening it up and fiddling is dangerous. No need to plug it in. The main capacitor inside stores enough charge at a high enough voltage to kill you. Unless you take explicit steps to discharge it, it’ll hold that charge for hours to days.
> It's such a ridiculous argument to say we should be censoring this stuff because it's dangerous to the untrained.
I’m not advocating for censorship. But there are plenty of other YouTubers out there doing similar videos, but they do a substantial better job of explaining the risks and danger, and do so in an entertaining way. I think it’s reasonable to expect YouTubers like this to place appropriate warnings in their videos to make it clear how dangerous their work can be. Those warnings don’t need to be boring or distracting to be effective, it just requires some imagination to integrate them well into a video.
> Should we censor professional cooking videos where they chop food really fast with sharp knives? Someone could cut themselves!
People encounter knives on a day-to-day basis. It’s reasonable to assume that everyone knows that knives can be dangerous when misused. The same can’t be said of lasers and microwaves.
Lasers and microwaves are particularly dangerous due to reflections and refractions, and can pose a significant danger to more than just the experimenter. Lasers bounce around a room, if that room isn’t properly sealed there’s the potential for escaped light to blind someone outside your lab. If you don’t have proper access control on your lab, then you can accidentally blind someone entering it without the correct PPE. If someone grabs a cheap high class 4 IR laser off the internet (which really isn’t hard) and plays with it in a bedroom or garage, there’s an extremely high risk they’ll blind family members. If they’re wearing the wrong type of laser goggles, then they also risk blinding themselves. With an IR laser, you can’t even see the beam. You’ll only know you’ve walked into it when your retina starts burning.
With microwaves, the signal can easily penetrate walls and other non-metallic objects. If you don’t have a faraday cage, or it’s not properly tuned for the frequencies you’re working with, then those microwaves can travel into other rooms and cause significant interference with other electronics (including pacemakers) and cause metallic objects to accumulate significant voltage potential.
All of these risk are non-obvious because the electricity, and RF radiation behave in extremely non-intuitive ways. We have no natural fear or understanding of these phenomena because they’re only dangerous in purely artificial, man made, conditions.
Knives, mountains, fire etc we’ve got thousands of years of evolution telling us those things are dangerous. Laser, electricity and microwaves only became a danger a human is likely to encounter 100 years ago.
> It's this sort of collective dumbing down of people that results in us having warning labels on hair dryers that say "do not use while sleeping".
I don’t think people have ever been very good at evaluating these risks and acting appropriately. If we were, then safety courses would be unnecessary. The only thing that’s changed in the past 100 years, is that we’ve figured out how these technologies will kill and maim us. Now we have the knowledge, it seems stupid to make further blood sacrifices to relearn it.
- junon 5y agoSorry, I simply don't agree with your point of view.
- avianlyric 5y agoOut of interest, have you ever worked with equipment like this? Or in an environment that contains this type of equipment? Trying to avoid a personal attack here. But having worked in environments that deal with high voltage equipment, and high power lasers, been through the safety training, and also been prevented by co-workers from touching/doing something that would have seriously injured me. I’ve developed a healthy fear of electricity, microwaves and lasers. Once you make enough silly mistakes that injure you, and meet enough people missing fingers, have serious, work induced, chronic illnesses and know people that died. You start understand how little stands between you and the abyss. I think I can be tricky for people to really comprehend the danger until you’ve seen the photos, met the people, and made your own mistakes.
- kortex 5y agoNot junon, but I agree with them. I have a chemistry degree, years of chemical safety training, years of practice as a fire artist and performer, and a huge fan of all these high energy science channels. My hobby is basically doing this same kind of "don't try at home" content, sans uploading it, and in fact the thought has crossed my mind to start a channel. There is only so much "don't try this at home" disclaimers can do. NurdRage and NileRed probably have the best disclaimers, but even then they are no excuse for actual safety training and experience. There is too much to cram into one safety brief. Should we censor all woodworking videos of old timers with outdated safety habits? There comes a point of "we are all adults here" and if you are not, you are probably a dumbshit teenager doing dumbshit stuff without adults knowing. I got my start doing dumbshit dangerous chemistry without any assistance of YouTube, it was all forums for me and there were no warnings, it was just implied that what you are doing has risks and you should look into them. And yeah I had my injuries and near misses, nothing awful thankfully. If you have any inkling of self preservation, you learn what is required for at least a modicum of safety, and you ask questions of those also in the hobby how to do things safely. The great thing about these channels is that they nucleate and create a nexus for people interested in this stuff, often on Reddit, which is like the one-forum-to-rule-them-all (though I do rather miss the phpbb ones depth) I think what bugs me about this attitude is it basically implies sharing dangerous knowledge is unethical. Let's say we censor StyroPyro, are people going to suddenly not be tempted? No, they are just going to find other outlets for their curiosity.