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>Doesn't it? I guess it's a matter of age and class and nationality. If you're too young to earn money, it's a barrier. If you're in the lower classes of your c

by yyyk 5y ago

>Doesn't it? I guess it's a matter of age and class and nationality. If you're too young to earn money, it's a barrier. If you're in the lower classes of your country, 20$/month can be a lot I was comparing the payment to buying or operating a server (even a free old server has costs, e.g. for electricity). In truth, a proper modern comparison should be to a free plan from one of the cloud providers which is likely to be 0/month.

southerntofu 5y ago
> I was comparing the payment to buying or operating a server (even a free old server has costs, e.g. for electricity) Sure, but if the machine is already running, it's free. Or if you can stick it in a cupboard at work/university, it's free. > 0/month is there actually free cloud hosting? don't they ask for your credit card first before they offer you "credits"?
- lifeslikethis 5y ago
  Honestly, I think self-hosted is the way to go. Most cloud hosting services are scams, and with self-hosted you have full control over the system.
- yyyk 5y ago
  >Sure, but if the machine is already running, it's free. It still has costs for admin and electricity (via extra CPU load), though I grant these could be marginal. >Or if you can stick it in a cupboard at work/university, it's free. This is using someone else's resources, rather dubiously ethical. I suspect IT is going to have a fit when they find out - assuming they didn't block the relevant ports in the first place. >is there actually free cloud hosting? don't they ask for your credit card first before they offer you "credits"? There are free plans on Azure/AWS/GCP. Asking for credit card data does not mean you are being charged, I suspect it's really more about identifying users. It's possible to set up free plans without credit card if one has some other id (e.g. Azure's free plans via MSDN). A prepaid card should work as well.

by yyyk 5y ago

southerntofu 5y ago

> I was comparing the payment to buying or operating a server (even a free old server has costs, e.g. for electricity) Sure, but if the machine is already running, it's free. Or if you can stick it in a cupboard at work/university, it's free. > 0/month is there actually free cloud hosting? don't they ask for your credit card first before they offer you "credits"?

lifeslikethis 5y ago
Honestly, I think self-hosted is the way to go. Most cloud hosting services are scams, and with self-hosted you have full control over the system.
yyyk 5y ago
>Sure, but if the machine is already running, it's free. It still has costs for admin and electricity (via extra CPU load), though I grant these could be marginal. >Or if you can stick it in a cupboard at work/university, it's free. This is using someone else's resources, rather dubiously ethical. I suspect IT is going to have a fit when they find out - assuming they didn't block the relevant ports in the first place. >is there actually free cloud hosting? don't they ask for your credit card first before they offer you "credits"? There are free plans on Azure/AWS/GCP. Asking for credit card data does not mean you are being charged, I suspect it's really more about identifying users. It's possible to set up free plans without credit card if one has some other id (e.g. Azure's free plans via MSDN). A prepaid card should work as well.