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Fully agreed on the sports movie vs action movie note. Saying that Robocop isn't about a conspiracy strikes me as bizarre - the whole thing was a government co

Fully agreed on the sports movie vs action movie note. Saying that Robocop isn't about a conspiracy strikes me as bizarre - the whole thing was a government contractor abusing its power. I think your take on Terminator is a little weird - Arnold isn't the hero, and the gang fight is a complete throw away; that doesn't make it a conspiracy movie. T2 is more so, with the secret use of future tech.

daniel-cussen 5y ago
OK so I just watched the clip and no that's absolutely a conspiracy of wastes of a fuck 100%. They do everything. They insult him, they click his fingers at him, sure he asks for clothes in the imperative but if you don't know the rest of the plot it could just be a weird naked guy asking for clothes, I've seen people in tough situations make much worse requests. I saw some in SF for instance, really gritty scene I remember a crack addict at a wondrous and cheap Chinese food restaurant named Quickly. He said crack cures hunger, over and over, like that was what he was going to eat, and he was there because he had no crack, so he needed actual food to cure his hunger. So in SF people ignored him, but in this clip the losers say "Fuck you, Asshole" and then all three take out a switchblade with the camera focussed on the blade opening, and they guy's naked, one of the losers stabs him, at this point you don't yet know how hardcore the Terminator is. So what this film is doing is using a small wannabe conspiracy to raise the status of the true villain of the movie. But there's no intention of the losers being the good guy, at this point Arnold's the closest to being the good guy.
- dllthomas 5y ago
  I didn't say that the "gang" was "good guys". My point was that the film's pitting of the main villain against a group of (extremely minor) villains in a single, throw away scene is unrelated to the upthread assertion under discussion that action movies pit individual heroes against a conspiracy so they can have the heroes defeat individual members of the conspiracy over the course of the movie. Whether or not we call the group a conspiracy, the scene doesn't make the broader case.

daniel-cussen 5y ago

OK so I just watched the clip and no that's absolutely a conspiracy of wastes of a fuck 100%. They do everything. They insult him, they click his fingers at him, sure he asks for clothes in the imperative but if you don't know the rest of the plot it could just be a weird naked guy asking for clothes, I've seen people in tough situations make much worse requests. I saw some in SF for instance, really gritty scene I remember a crack addict at a wondrous and cheap Chinese food restaurant named Quickly. He said crack cures hunger, over and over, like that was what he was going to eat, and he was there because he had no crack, so he needed actual food to cure his hunger. So in SF people ignored him, but in this clip the losers say "Fuck you, Asshole" and then all three take out a switchblade with the camera focussed on the blade opening, and they guy's naked, one of the losers stabs him, at this point you don't yet know how hardcore the Terminator is. So what this film is doing is using a small wannabe conspiracy to raise the status of the true villain of the movie. But there's no intention of the losers being the good guy, at this point Arnold's the closest to being the good guy.

dllthomas 5y ago
I didn't say that the "gang" was "good guys". My point was that the film's pitting of the main villain against a group of (extremely minor) villains in a single, throw away scene is unrelated to the upthread assertion under discussion that action movies pit individual heroes against a conspiracy so they can have the heroes defeat individual members of the conspiracy over the course of the movie. Whether or not we call the group a conspiracy, the scene doesn't make the broader case.