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I don't see the real resume posted anywhere. Yes a resume lying about past experience working at Microsoft and other big tech companies with an almost 4.0 GPA f

by Kranar 5y ago

I don't see the real resume posted anywhere. Yes a resume lying about past experience working at Microsoft and other big tech companies with an almost 4.0 GPA from one of the top universities is more likely to get replies. Let's see what we're comparing this to and then we can make a judgement about it.

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bawolff 5y ago
If you read the reddit post linked from twitter - that's their point https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this_resume_got_me_an_interview/ https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this... - despite the resume being very very clearly bullshit (one of the bullet points is: gave herpes to 60% of the interns!), nobody cares if you have FANNG on it.
- adrianb 5y ago
  The point is that she gets called because of buzzwords such as Blockchain and AI and what have you. If the education and job experience is made up, how do you know you're not getting calls because you sent a fake CV mentioning great education and relevant past jobs?
- ghaff 5y ago
  It's not that no one cares. It's that no one (or their algorithms) actually read anything beyond the headlines.
  - bawolff 5y ago
    I would call that not caring.
    - teej 5y ago
      There are lots of human-in-the-loop systems with algorithms involved. People deeply care about those systems. To be more precise, they “don’t care” that the system produces false positives. Did you consider they made this decision with full knowledge of the trade offs?
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      - bawolff 5y ago
        > Did you consider they made this decision with full knowledge of the trade offs? Yes, that would be my general assumption. Why wouldn't i think that? They are still not caring about a large part of the contents of the resume. Whether that's good or bad, whether they thought long and hard or made that decision on a whim, is totally irrelavent to whether they care about the info in question.
  - yissp 5y ago
    I'm browsing these comments having only read the headline of the OP.
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- Kranar 5y ago
  The link you provided clearly indicates how deceptive this whole thing is. The resume being posted is NOT the resume that got a 90% response rate. The resume that got a 90% response rate had some silly stuff on it, but nothing particularly egregious: * Experienced software engineer with a background of building scalable systems in the fintech, health, and adult entertainment industries. * Team coffee maker - ensured team of 6 was fully caffeinated with Antarctican coffee beans ground to 14 nm particles * Connected with Reid Hoffman on LinkedIn * Organized team bonding through company potato sack race resulting in increased team bonding and cohesity Okay some of this is goofy but so what? I'm going to turn down a highly competent software engineer listing experience at Microsoft and Instagram because they organized a potato sack race or mention some obscure coffee brand?
  - selcuka 5y ago
    They got a 90% response rate with both versions: > With that resume, I got a 90% callback rate > I changed some bullets and adjusted my summary: > No way I get calls back with this right? Wrong. Again, 90% call back rate
  - codyb 5y ago
    If you’re mentioning making coffee as one of your bullet points for a senior engineering role? That seems pretty fluffy to me! Much less the ridiculousness of grinding to 14nm particles.
    - Jensson 5y ago
      Many developers are silly like that, yes. Many teams think that is fine since they aren't user facing, being silly there wont hurt the company image or anything at all really.
      - Causality1 5y ago
        Yeah, "not an asshole" flags go further than you think.
    - Spivak 5y ago
- vkou 5y ago
  > nobody cares if you have FANNG on it. They'll care when they get to the offer stage, call up your references, and discover that you didn't actually work at Microsoft.
  - zrm 5y ago
    If the resume scanner is just doing naive keyword scanning, can't you easily insert things that ping the keywords without actually lying about anything? Deployed software to Microsoft Windows, Apple Mac and Google Android. Configured firewall to block Facebook and Netflix.
    - nicoty 5y ago
      It might be easier just include a list of the buzzwords formatted to use white font so that it's invisible to humans but visible to buzzword-detection bots?
  - Jensson 5y ago
    Right, those parts are easy to check so you can assume them to be true and check them later. And then if those checks comes back false you just blacklist this person forever.
  - mcphage 5y ago
    You'd think they'd check the applicant's webpage even before that, and find out it'd a rickroll...
- philangist 5y ago
  *FAANG is now MANGA with the FB rebrand
  - teej 5y ago
    If you’re going to swap Facebook for Meta you must also swap Google for Alphabet
    - deckard1 5y ago
      how about the MAAAN. Because that's who we work for and who is keeping us all in line. Same as it ever was.
    - endisneigh 5y ago
      Facebook the company no longer exists, Google still exists as a company. Google simply created a new company to act as a holding company. Meta (Facebook) is even going as far to change its ticker on 12/1 to reflect the new name.
    - Jensson 5y ago
      So ANAMA?
    - hunter2_ 5y ago
      Come on, maaan.
    - LenP 5y ago
      Alphabet ticker is still GOOG, while FB will become MVRS. Remember that FAANG is a Wall Street term for high-growth stocks (at the time it was coined)
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Mikeb85 5y ago
Did you actually read the Tweet with the CV? It was hilariously made up and bad, but just gamed the algorithms.
- Kranar 5y ago
  I read the reddit post and it makes clear that the CV everyone is talking about is not the actual CV that was sent to companies and got the 90% response rate.
hervature 5y ago
Yea, I was expecting to compare it to the actual resume where the only thing was different was the use of buzz words. But, at this point, we don't know if the person has 0 software experience and/or they went to school. The fake resume is hilarious, but the headline is just sensational.
rtsil 5y ago
That doesn't address the problem of these bots discarding many potentially good resumes because they don't include enough keywords. If the position is only open to people who worked at a FAANG, then make that clear in the job posting instead of discarding the applications that doesn't have FAANG references. People spend a lot of time building resumes and applying. The least one can do is make the rules clear. Also, the lying resume goes beyond a false experience. It includes pure nonsense such as AI-based GraphQL, React for AI on Blockchain, connecting with Reid Hoffman on Linkedin and spreading herpes to interns. And the follow-up emails included worse, and the replying bots that pretend to be HR people scheduled a call anyway.
- Kranar 5y ago
  We don't know what the position is open to because we have nothing to compare this resume to. Ignoring the fact that it turns out that the resume being paraded about on Twitter is NOT the resume that was sent out to all of the companies (the spreading herpes and other absurdities was not in the resume that got the 90% response rate), we don't know what this resume is being compared to in order to judge whether these companies are turning down potentially qualified candidates or not.
- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  In other words, the hr departments are lying by pretending to be people, and by asking for applications and then not evaluating them. It's perfectly fair to treat them like they treat everyone else.
uncomputation 5y ago
It’s not just a fake resume, it’s a nonsensical one that any human actually reading would clearly know. That’s the point. Nobody is screening these applications anymore and it’s now just a game of pleasing the ATS with enough FAANG buzzwords.
hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
> Let's see what we're comparing this to and then we can make a judgement about it. I think it's fair to make a judgment about it when the fake resume had "spread herpes to 60% of the intern team" on it. Time to update the "AI": herpes = -100 points
- IggleSniggle 5y ago
  “Produced an algorithm that accurately predicts the spread of herpes in a college environment using social media inputs” would be very cool though

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bawolff 5y ago

If you read the reddit post linked from twitter - that's their point https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this_resume_got_me_an_interview/ https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/qhg5jo/this... - despite the resume being very very clearly bullshit (one of the bullet points is: gave herpes to 60% of the interns!), nobody cares if you have FANNG on it.

adrianb 5y ago
The point is that she gets called because of buzzwords such as Blockchain and AI and what have you. If the education and job experience is made up, how do you know you're not getting calls because you sent a fake CV mentioning great education and relevant past jobs?
ghaff 5y ago
It's not that no one cares. It's that no one (or their algorithms) actually read anything beyond the headlines.
- bawolff 5y ago
  I would call that not caring.
  - teej 5y ago
    There are lots of human-in-the-loop systems with algorithms involved. People deeply care about those systems. To be more precise, they “don’t care” that the system produces false positives. Did you consider they made this decision with full knowledge of the trade offs?
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    - bawolff 5y ago
      > Did you consider they made this decision with full knowledge of the trade offs? Yes, that would be my general assumption. Why wouldn't i think that? They are still not caring about a large part of the contents of the resume. Whether that's good or bad, whether they thought long and hard or made that decision on a whim, is totally irrelavent to whether they care about the info in question.
- yissp 5y ago
  I'm browsing these comments having only read the headline of the OP.
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Kranar 5y ago
The link you provided clearly indicates how deceptive this whole thing is. The resume being posted is NOT the resume that got a 90% response rate. The resume that got a 90% response rate had some silly stuff on it, but nothing particularly egregious: * Experienced software engineer with a background of building scalable systems in the fintech, health, and adult entertainment industries. * Team coffee maker - ensured team of 6 was fully caffeinated with Antarctican coffee beans ground to 14 nm particles * Connected with Reid Hoffman on LinkedIn * Organized team bonding through company potato sack race resulting in increased team bonding and cohesity Okay some of this is goofy but so what? I'm going to turn down a highly competent software engineer listing experience at Microsoft and Instagram because they organized a potato sack race or mention some obscure coffee brand?
- selcuka 5y ago
  They got a 90% response rate with both versions: > With that resume, I got a 90% callback rate > I changed some bullets and adjusted my summary: > No way I get calls back with this right? Wrong. Again, 90% call back rate
- codyb 5y ago
  If you’re mentioning making coffee as one of your bullet points for a senior engineering role? That seems pretty fluffy to me! Much less the ridiculousness of grinding to 14nm particles.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    Many developers are silly like that, yes. Many teams think that is fine since they aren't user facing, being silly there wont hurt the company image or anything at all really.
    - Causality1 5y ago
      Yeah, "not an asshole" flags go further than you think.
  - Spivak 5y ago
vkou 5y ago
> nobody cares if you have FANNG on it. They'll care when they get to the offer stage, call up your references, and discover that you didn't actually work at Microsoft.
- zrm 5y ago
  If the resume scanner is just doing naive keyword scanning, can't you easily insert things that ping the keywords without actually lying about anything? Deployed software to Microsoft Windows, Apple Mac and Google Android. Configured firewall to block Facebook and Netflix.
  - nicoty 5y ago
    It might be easier just include a list of the buzzwords formatted to use white font so that it's invisible to humans but visible to buzzword-detection bots?
- Jensson 5y ago
  Right, those parts are easy to check so you can assume them to be true and check them later. And then if those checks comes back false you just blacklist this person forever.
- mcphage 5y ago
  You'd think they'd check the applicant's webpage even before that, and find out it'd a rickroll...
philangist 5y ago
*FAANG is now MANGA with the FB rebrand
- teej 5y ago
  If you’re going to swap Facebook for Meta you must also swap Google for Alphabet
  - deckard1 5y ago
    how about the MAAAN. Because that's who we work for and who is keeping us all in line. Same as it ever was.
  - endisneigh 5y ago
    Facebook the company no longer exists, Google still exists as a company. Google simply created a new company to act as a holding company. Meta (Facebook) is even going as far to change its ticker on 12/1 to reflect the new name.
  - Jensson 5y ago
    So ANAMA?
  - hunter2_ 5y ago
    Come on, maaan.
  - LenP 5y ago
    Alphabet ticker is still GOOG, while FB will become MVRS. Remember that FAANG is a Wall Street term for high-growth stocks (at the time it was coined)
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Mikeb85 5y ago

Did you actually read the Tweet with the CV? It was hilariously made up and bad, but just gamed the algorithms.

Kranar 5y ago
I read the reddit post and it makes clear that the CV everyone is talking about is not the actual CV that was sent to companies and got the 90% response rate.

hervature 5y ago

Yea, I was expecting to compare it to the actual resume where the only thing was different was the use of buzz words. But, at this point, we don't know if the person has 0 software experience and/or they went to school. The fake resume is hilarious, but the headline is just sensational.

rtsil 5y ago

That doesn't address the problem of these bots discarding many potentially good resumes because they don't include enough keywords. If the position is only open to people who worked at a FAANG, then make that clear in the job posting instead of discarding the applications that doesn't have FAANG references. People spend a lot of time building resumes and applying. The least one can do is make the rules clear. Also, the lying resume goes beyond a false experience. It includes pure nonsense such as AI-based GraphQL, React for AI on Blockchain, connecting with Reid Hoffman on Linkedin and spreading herpes to interns. And the follow-up emails included worse, and the replying bots that pretend to be HR people scheduled a call anyway.

Kranar 5y ago
We don't know what the position is open to because we have nothing to compare this resume to. Ignoring the fact that it turns out that the resume being paraded about on Twitter is NOT the resume that was sent out to all of the companies (the spreading herpes and other absurdities was not in the resume that got the 90% response rate), we don't know what this resume is being compared to in order to judge whether these companies are turning down potentially qualified candidates or not.
Brian_K_White 5y ago
In other words, the hr departments are lying by pretending to be people, and by asking for applications and then not evaluating them. It's perfectly fair to treat them like they treat everyone else.

uncomputation 5y ago

It’s not just a fake resume, it’s a nonsensical one that any human actually reading would clearly know. That’s the point. Nobody is screening these applications anymore and it’s now just a game of pleasing the ATS with enough FAANG buzzwords.

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

> Let's see what we're comparing this to and then we can make a judgement about it. I think it's fair to make a judgment about it when the fake resume had "spread herpes to 60% of the intern team" on it. Time to update the "AI": herpes = -100 points

IggleSniggle 5y ago
“Produced an algorithm that accurately predicts the spread of herpes in a college environment using social media inputs” would be very cool though