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No doubt that still happens but I don’t know how common that is? There is a lot of race-baiting going on in the press which may give a skewed perspective of re

by vimy 5y ago

No doubt that still happens but I don’t know how common that is? There is a lot of race-baiting going on in the press which may give a skewed perspective of reality. For example, research shows that white police officers aren’t more likely to shoot a black suspect than police officers from another race. [1] But that’s not what the media tells us. The constant focus on race also makes people paranoid. “Was that guy just a dick or was he racist?” But that is not the point. A black man that went to Harvard and is now working for Goldman Sachs has more in common with a white Goldman Sachs employee than with a black factory worker. They read the same kind of books and newspapers, drive the same kind of car, live in the same kind of neighborhood, … [1]https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877 https://www.pnas.org/content/116/32/15877

ceejayoz 5y ago
> A black man that went to Harvard and is now working for Goldman Sachs has more in common with a white Goldman Sachs employee than with a black factory worker. Probably not when they're pulled over, but ignoring the difficulty getting to that point is a bit silly. https://fortune.com/2021/04/20/goldman-sachs-reveals-black-workforce-numbers-for-the-first-time/ https://fortune.com/2021/04/20/goldman-sachs-reveals-black-w... "Inside Goldman Sachs Group Inc., 1,548 U.S. executives, senior officials and managers run the bank. Of that group, 24 are Black men and 25 are Black women." 3%, versus about 15% of the US population.
wolverine876 5y ago
> No doubt that still happens but I don’t know how common that is? It's very well covered, researched, and discussed; ignorance doesn't relieve the problem or dismiss it. > There is a lot of race-baiting going on in the press which may give a skewed perspective of reality. That's your claim, a trendy one in some circles to blame 'the media', but it's not really substantiated, even by one study. African-Americans - the people with direct experience of it - have been telling the world about it for generations. Racism is getting worse as many people openly embrace it, including rapidly increasing hate crimes, overt statements by national leaders and other 'influencers', and far more. And every time, throughout history, the problem of racism is met with the same response - an effort to shut down the complaints.
- vimy 5y ago
  I have read a lot of research about racism and I can only conclude that the media is not painting an accurate picture about it. If you want to challenge your views you could read some of Thomas Sowell’s work or from other black conservative thinkers.
greedo 5y ago
Ironic that you claim this when a Harvard professor was treated much more like a common criminal than a member of an elite institution. Perhaps it's not the color of skin in your example that matters, but the financial and social class. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/22/henry-louis-gates-arrested-at-home https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/22/henry-louis-ga...
- oh_sigh 5y ago
  I love when elites talk like "Yeah, I'll speak with your mama outside". It's entirely plausible that a white person who was accused of breaking into their own home would not be arrested for disorderly conduct afterwards, because they wouldn't view the event as being part of a larger narrative against their race. All of that could happen without anyone actually doing anything wrong.
- vimy 5y ago
  You don't seem to grasp what I'm saying. This professor is part of the elite. He has elite friends, elite interests, elite ideas about society. It's not because he experienced racism that he suddenly has the same worldview as a black factory worker. The idea that someone with a different skin color automatically has different views, which I believe is the whole implicit idea behind diversity being positive for society, is just plain wrong.
  - greedo 5y ago
    The point is that even working at the pinnacle of American education, a black man, no matter how many degrees, how many letters, how much money in the bank, is treated the same as a black janitor. Assumed guilty by the police, treated like dirt.
burnished 5y ago
>>research shows that white police officers aren’t more likely to shoot a black suspect than police officers from another race. [1] But that’s not what the media tells us. I've never heard anything about this. The point isn't the color of the person holding the gun, and its weird that you think it is.
- vimy 5y ago
  I don't think that's important. The media does. Only when a white police officer mistreats or shoots a black person is the media eager to report it, emphasizing the race of everyone involved. When the opposite happens coverage isn't nearly as big or even non-existent. The implicit message is that white cops are racist.
  - wolverine876 5y ago
    Any reference to "the media" seems undefined. Journalists in just the US come from tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of organizations, of all sorts of size, quality, focus, partisanship (amount and direction), etc. etc. There is a cacophony of voices.

by vimy 5y ago

ceejayoz 5y ago

> A black man that went to Harvard and is now working for Goldman Sachs has more in common with a white Goldman Sachs employee than with a black factory worker. Probably not when they're pulled over, but ignoring the difficulty getting to that point is a bit silly. https://fortune.com/2021/04/20/goldman-sachs-reveals-black-workforce-numbers-for-the-first-time/ https://fortune.com/2021/04/20/goldman-sachs-reveals-black-w... "Inside Goldman Sachs Group Inc., 1,548 U.S. executives, senior officials and managers run the bank. Of that group, 24 are Black men and 25 are Black women." 3%, versus about 15% of the US population.

wolverine876 5y ago

> No doubt that still happens but I don’t know how common that is? It's very well covered, researched, and discussed; ignorance doesn't relieve the problem or dismiss it. > There is a lot of race-baiting going on in the press which may give a skewed perspective of reality. That's your claim, a trendy one in some circles to blame 'the media', but it's not really substantiated, even by one study. African-Americans - the people with direct experience of it - have been telling the world about it for generations. Racism is getting worse as many people openly embrace it, including rapidly increasing hate crimes, overt statements by national leaders and other 'influencers', and far more. And every time, throughout history, the problem of racism is met with the same response - an effort to shut down the complaints.

vimy 5y ago
I have read a lot of research about racism and I can only conclude that the media is not painting an accurate picture about it. If you want to challenge your views you could read some of Thomas Sowell’s work or from other black conservative thinkers.

greedo 5y ago

Ironic that you claim this when a Harvard professor was treated much more like a common criminal than a member of an elite institution. Perhaps it's not the color of skin in your example that matters, but the financial and social class. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/22/henry-louis-gates-arrested-at-home https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jul/22/henry-louis-ga...

oh_sigh 5y ago
I love when elites talk like "Yeah, I'll speak with your mama outside". It's entirely plausible that a white person who was accused of breaking into their own home would not be arrested for disorderly conduct afterwards, because they wouldn't view the event as being part of a larger narrative against their race. All of that could happen without anyone actually doing anything wrong.
vimy 5y ago
You don't seem to grasp what I'm saying. This professor is part of the elite. He has elite friends, elite interests, elite ideas about society. It's not because he experienced racism that he suddenly has the same worldview as a black factory worker. The idea that someone with a different skin color automatically has different views, which I believe is the whole implicit idea behind diversity being positive for society, is just plain wrong.
- greedo 5y ago
  The point is that even working at the pinnacle of American education, a black man, no matter how many degrees, how many letters, how much money in the bank, is treated the same as a black janitor. Assumed guilty by the police, treated like dirt.

burnished 5y ago

>>research shows that white police officers aren’t more likely to shoot a black suspect than police officers from another race. [1] But that’s not what the media tells us. I've never heard anything about this. The point isn't the color of the person holding the gun, and its weird that you think it is.

vimy 5y ago
I don't think that's important. The media does. Only when a white police officer mistreats or shoots a black person is the media eager to report it, emphasizing the race of everyone involved. When the opposite happens coverage isn't nearly as big or even non-existent. The implicit message is that white cops are racist.
- wolverine876 5y ago
  Any reference to "the media" seems undefined. Journalists in just the US come from tens of thousands (hundreds of thousands?) of organizations, of all sorts of size, quality, focus, partisanship (amount and direction), etc. etc. There is a cacophony of voices.