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To the Navy’s credit it does appear they’re chopping some heads over it (even calling out the ships previous captain and some civilians) and perhaps this wake u

To the Navy’s credit it does appear they’re chopping some heads over it (even calling out the ships previous captain and some civilians) and perhaps this wake up call will help reorient the navy back towards where it needs to be. It’s certainly better than pinning this entire event on whatever E-3 started the fire. Can’t say I’m super surprised it’s reached this point though, we’ve been running our military like schizophrenic kids on adderall for the last 20+ years.

QuarterReptile 5y ago
>perhaps this wake up call will help reorient the navy back towards where it needs to be. Maybe. The reports are very clear that most of the problems are lessons learned but not implemented from the Miami in 2012. > It’s certainly better than pinning this entire event on whatever E-3 started the fire. Does this ever happen? I've never seen it. > we’ve been running our military like schizophrenic kids on adderall for the last 20+ years. Can you explain?
- syngrog66 5y ago
  Afghanistan, Iraq, countless foreign bases and deployments all around the world, civil crisis response (think weather disasters and the recent Trump unrest shenanigans) and oh also actual "homeland defense" responsibilities somewhere in the mix too. a nation not officially at war and yet... thousands of combat deaths, etc
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  > Does this ever happen? I've never seen it. It does. In this specific case, even. https://www.npr.org/2021/07/29/1022514854/sailor-charged-arson-uss-bonhomme-richard-navy-san-diego https://www.npr.org/2021/07/29/1022514854/sailor-charged-ars... “The U.S. Navy charged a sailor Thursday with starting a fire last year that destroyed the USS Bonhomme Richard docked off San Diego, marking the maritime branch's worst warship blaze outside of combat in recent memory.”
  - bitcurious 5y ago
    > The sailor was charged with aggravated arson and the willful hazarding of a vessel, Robertson said. Charged with arson, so without more details it’s hard to say if they’re just a patsy.
    - renewiltord 5y ago
      Their competence on not burning up does not set a high prior on competence in evaluating the burn up. Probably incompetent throughout.
  - frankharv 5y ago
    The whole arson story is not really believable to me. I was once interrogated by NIS for 3 days and in the end I almost signed a false statement to get it over with. NCIS is not a believable policing agency. They use very questionable methods for getting confessions. In my case they provided a false statement from my roommate and then when I asked for representation they escorted me to a Flag Officer who told me I should tell them everything I know. Turns out the flag officer was a prosecuting not defense lawyer. One agent was kind enough to mention that. With that information I ran out of NIS headquarters never to hear from them again. They are not to be trusted. Now I work in a shipyard and my simple question is: How did MARMAC allow a ship to not have fire stands in a shipyard. Utter failure on thier part. They are the US Navy contract representatives.
    - dragonwriter 5y ago
      > NCIS is not a believable policing agency. They use very questionable methods for getting confessions. That makes them a very believable policing agency, since that's basically an universal trait of such agencies.
      - throwawaylinux 5y ago
        Do you have a source for that claim?
- ak217 5y ago
  > Does this ever happen? It sure used to. Iowa turret explosion?

QuarterReptile 5y ago

>perhaps this wake up call will help reorient the navy back towards where it needs to be. Maybe. The reports are very clear that most of the problems are lessons learned but not implemented from the Miami in 2012. > It’s certainly better than pinning this entire event on whatever E-3 started the fire. Does this ever happen? I've never seen it. > we’ve been running our military like schizophrenic kids on adderall for the last 20+ years. Can you explain?

syngrog66 5y ago
Afghanistan, Iraq, countless foreign bases and deployments all around the world, civil crisis response (think weather disasters and the recent Trump unrest shenanigans) and oh also actual "homeland defense" responsibilities somewhere in the mix too. a nation not officially at war and yet... thousands of combat deaths, etc
ceejayoz 5y ago
> Does this ever happen? I've never seen it. It does. In this specific case, even. https://www.npr.org/2021/07/29/1022514854/sailor-charged-arson-uss-bonhomme-richard-navy-san-diego https://www.npr.org/2021/07/29/1022514854/sailor-charged-ars... “The U.S. Navy charged a sailor Thursday with starting a fire last year that destroyed the USS Bonhomme Richard docked off San Diego, marking the maritime branch's worst warship blaze outside of combat in recent memory.”
- bitcurious 5y ago
  > The sailor was charged with aggravated arson and the willful hazarding of a vessel, Robertson said. Charged with arson, so without more details it’s hard to say if they’re just a patsy.
  - renewiltord 5y ago
    Their competence on not burning up does not set a high prior on competence in evaluating the burn up. Probably incompetent throughout.
- frankharv 5y ago
  The whole arson story is not really believable to me. I was once interrogated by NIS for 3 days and in the end I almost signed a false statement to get it over with. NCIS is not a believable policing agency. They use very questionable methods for getting confessions. In my case they provided a false statement from my roommate and then when I asked for representation they escorted me to a Flag Officer who told me I should tell them everything I know. Turns out the flag officer was a prosecuting not defense lawyer. One agent was kind enough to mention that. With that information I ran out of NIS headquarters never to hear from them again. They are not to be trusted. Now I work in a shipyard and my simple question is: How did MARMAC allow a ship to not have fire stands in a shipyard. Utter failure on thier part. They are the US Navy contract representatives.
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > NCIS is not a believable policing agency. They use very questionable methods for getting confessions. That makes them a very believable policing agency, since that's basically an universal trait of such agencies.
    - throwawaylinux 5y ago
      Do you have a source for that claim?
ak217 5y ago
> Does this ever happen? It sure used to. Iowa turret explosion?