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Living in EU. Please tell me what should I do with my money, so I won't starve when I'm on pension in 20-30 years? Current situation is, that my lifetime saving

Living in EU. Please tell me what should I do with my money, so I won't starve when I'm on pension in 20-30 years? Current situation is, that my lifetime savings are being eaten by inflation due to rising wave of social benefits given to everyone in exchange for votes. Real estate is virtually only option, that does not require additional part-time work, in order to turn profit beating inflation.

civilized 5y ago
Why not Vanguard Total Market Index? That's what my 401(k) is in. The stock market is overvalued and risky but so is real estate. I'm sure there are still lots of better-than-nothing companies to invest in. You want to put money into things that are going to be making money in the future. Real estate is one, but businesses are another.
- dzikimarian 5y ago
  I have some ETFs/stock too. However: * lack of diversification seems unwise. * volatility and risk seem to me to be higher on a stock market. * taxation is approx twice higher on capital gains. Costs of investing on more mature markets, than local markets are not helping too. * my children will need a place at some point. Giving them some option seems to be wise, given what's happening to real estate market (I see some irony in that statement, but when in Rome...) In general I would much prefer to not deal with real estate, but it simply would mean a lot bigger risk of a few unpleasant decades at the end of life.
  - civilized 5y ago
    All well and good, but notice that you moved from "I need real estate to appreciate faster than inflation or my family will suffer" to "I'd prefer to have real estate as part of an optimal investment portfolio because I believe it will produce better risk-adjusted returns". We're not really talking about actual desperation here. We're talking about your desire to maximize your family's well-being. If that's what you care about, it would be wise to consider the impact on society as well. Society doesn't do well when resources are only accessible to a wealthy elite, and a stunted society will hurt your childrens' future. So maybe it's not such a good idea for real estate to be a scarce, rapidly appreciating asset, if it leads to unaffordable housing and economic desperation for the masses, political instability, etc. I'm not saying don't invest in real estate, only that the political conditions that make real estate a good investment may be bad for society at large.

civilized 5y ago

Why not Vanguard Total Market Index? That's what my 401(k) is in. The stock market is overvalued and risky but so is real estate. I'm sure there are still lots of better-than-nothing companies to invest in. You want to put money into things that are going to be making money in the future. Real estate is one, but businesses are another.

dzikimarian 5y ago
I have some ETFs/stock too. However: * lack of diversification seems unwise. * volatility and risk seem to me to be higher on a stock market. * taxation is approx twice higher on capital gains. Costs of investing on more mature markets, than local markets are not helping too. * my children will need a place at some point. Giving them some option seems to be wise, given what's happening to real estate market (I see some irony in that statement, but when in Rome...) In general I would much prefer to not deal with real estate, but it simply would mean a lot bigger risk of a few unpleasant decades at the end of life.
- civilized 5y ago
  All well and good, but notice that you moved from "I need real estate to appreciate faster than inflation or my family will suffer" to "I'd prefer to have real estate as part of an optimal investment portfolio because I believe it will produce better risk-adjusted returns". We're not really talking about actual desperation here. We're talking about your desire to maximize your family's well-being. If that's what you care about, it would be wise to consider the impact on society as well. Society doesn't do well when resources are only accessible to a wealthy elite, and a stunted society will hurt your childrens' future. So maybe it's not such a good idea for real estate to be a scarce, rapidly appreciating asset, if it leads to unaffordable housing and economic desperation for the masses, political instability, etc. I'm not saying don't invest in real estate, only that the political conditions that make real estate a good investment may be bad for society at large.