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>> but I just think a native solution of the platform is preferable over a 3rd party tool I had a job interview where someone asked me what I would prefer Terr

>> but I just think a native solution of the platform is preferable over a 3rd party tool I had a job interview where someone asked me what I would prefer Terraform or Cloudformation for AWS. I said Cloudformation because it's managed by AWS who writes the actual software as well. And they kind of smugly said Terraform is better because it's cloud agnostic. I was thinking...have you ever USED Terraform.

Glyptodon 5y ago
I wouldn't consider myself super in love with terraform, but Cloudformation has been nearly 100% unpleasant experiences for me, though I will admit to not being an expert. Mostly it seems like it's harder to know your changes don't have any mistakes and will do exactly what you expect. Is there a CF equivalent to TF plan? We've also found TF seems to apply changes faster in many cases.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  I agree CF kinda blows compared to real programming lang, and is probably legitimately better as an intermediate generated template than hand crafted code. Even AWS has come up with a CDK to avoid building CF and use real prog langs. I've never used it though. I just personally think that if youre going to be a part of an ecosystem, things go much more smoothly when you stay in that ecosystem as much as possible. Also Amazon is a massive company compared to hashicorp so I feel more comfortable about my infrastructures longevity with AWS tools. Not saying hashicorp is going anywhere anytime soon and if it did the open-source community would probably take over, but it eliminates that tiny tiny risk. I would probably use the AWS-CDK now instead of CF.
- nickthemagicman 5y ago
  Im not super familiar with terraform but think change sets may compare to terraform plan? https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSCloudFormation/latest/UserGuide/using-cfn-updating-stacks-changesets.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSCloudFormation/latest/UserGui...

Glyptodon 5y ago

I wouldn't consider myself super in love with terraform, but Cloudformation has been nearly 100% unpleasant experiences for me, though I will admit to not being an expert. Mostly it seems like it's harder to know your changes don't have any mistakes and will do exactly what you expect. Is there a CF equivalent to TF plan? We've also found TF seems to apply changes faster in many cases.

nickthemagicman 5y ago
I agree CF kinda blows compared to real programming lang, and is probably legitimately better as an intermediate generated template than hand crafted code. Even AWS has come up with a CDK to avoid building CF and use real prog langs. I've never used it though. I just personally think that if youre going to be a part of an ecosystem, things go much more smoothly when you stay in that ecosystem as much as possible. Also Amazon is a massive company compared to hashicorp so I feel more comfortable about my infrastructures longevity with AWS tools. Not saying hashicorp is going anywhere anytime soon and if it did the open-source community would probably take over, but it eliminates that tiny tiny risk. I would probably use the AWS-CDK now instead of CF.
nickthemagicman 5y ago
Im not super familiar with terraform but think change sets may compare to terraform plan? https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSCloudFormation/latest/UserGuide/using-cfn-updating-stacks-changesets.html https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSCloudFormation/latest/UserGui...