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Yeah idk, the compounds, basic laws of physics, let time accelerate quickly in many iterations.

Smaug123 5y ago
This is reeeeeaaaaalllllly hard. Remember that protein folding was unsolved five years ago. (I'm not an expert at all, and I can't make a ruling on whether AlphaFold is now generally considered a "solution".) Protein folding is just one small part of physics.
- jcun4128 5y ago
  Yeah I'm not saying it's easy, I know I can't do it now haha. I'm a JS kiddie myself, still have yet to get into this kind of stuff like making a basic 3D simulation, best I got to is 3JS at this time. I'm working on it when I have time. I watched some protein folding stuff from the Comma AI guy I didn't even know what was going on there but it looked cool. But we do have computation readily available, my 3060 is just sitting there while I sleep, I could do some things with it maybe. Granted it's not a super computer, lower end.
  - joeberon 5y ago
    > But we do have computation readily available, my 3060 is just sitting there while I sleep You have vastly overestimated the power of your 3060 if you think it can simulate all the Earth's atoms at the beginning of life here.
    - Smaug123 5y ago
      I would instead call this "vastly underestimating the complexity of physics". Again, protein folding is a tiny tiny subset of physics and is famously extremely computationally difficult.
      - jcun4128 5y ago
        Back in my day they put men on the moon on some tubes /s. Yeah I get it, just a what if though, but good to know not easy. At some point I will get the time though and dive into it, learn new things. One time I didn't have a job for several months that was great.
        jcun4128 5y ago
        No tubes used but been watching the CuriousMarc series about Apollo missions recently really cool, particularly the TWT stuff and core memory.
        joeberon 5y ago
        not only “not easy”, I highly doubt it is even theoretically possible in this universe. Probably it can be proved that a computer that simulates the universe must have at least as many qubits as atoms in the universe to be able to describe the state of the universe or something. Obviously not possible since qubits are physical entities
        jcun4128 5y ago
        Don't mean to drag this on, not arguing with you guys but, can you not do a small part, like a puddle. Not the entire universe. I realize that's still a lot but you know, maybe you could do small sets/chunk it but yeah it's all bs on my part.
        Smaug123 5y ago
        It is probably outside the human civilisation's current abilities to simulate the molecular physics of a human cell. Looking through the references of https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-43229-4_28 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-43229-4_... turns up in particular https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1094342018819741 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1094342018819741 from the year 2019, which mentions simulating "20 trillion atoms" on a certain supercomputer; this is perhaps enough atoms to make a very small cell, but I presume those simulated atoms are somehow very nicely behaved (and are simulated over a very short simulated timeframe) relative to the actual biology that happens in humans.
joeberon 5y ago
We can't even simulate the dynamics of a simple atomic system in an exact way, without making assumptions. The universe is that but with many many more atoms and complicated couplings. The universe is much more powerful of a simulation than any computer can ever be. Even if you used a quantum computer you'd need as many qubits as that original primordial soup. Our computers are not more powerful than the "computer of the Universe", they are much _much_ less powerful.
- jcun4128 5y ago
  I have heard of that saying before with regard to atoms in the universe, I think in context of brute forcing but yeah. Good info

This is reeeeeaaaaalllllly hard. Remember that protein folding was unsolved five years ago. (I'm not an expert at all, and I can't make a ruling on whether AlphaFold is now generally considered a "solution".) Protein folding is just one small part of physics.

jcun4128 5y ago
Yeah I'm not saying it's easy, I know I can't do it now haha. I'm a JS kiddie myself, still have yet to get into this kind of stuff like making a basic 3D simulation, best I got to is 3JS at this time. I'm working on it when I have time. I watched some protein folding stuff from the Comma AI guy I didn't even know what was going on there but it looked cool. But we do have computation readily available, my 3060 is just sitting there while I sleep, I could do some things with it maybe. Granted it's not a super computer, lower end.
- joeberon 5y ago
  > But we do have computation readily available, my 3060 is just sitting there while I sleep You have vastly overestimated the power of your 3060 if you think it can simulate all the Earth's atoms at the beginning of life here.
  - Smaug123 5y ago
    I would instead call this "vastly underestimating the complexity of physics". Again, protein folding is a tiny tiny subset of physics and is famously extremely computationally difficult.
    - jcun4128 5y ago
      Back in my day they put men on the moon on some tubes /s. Yeah I get it, just a what if though, but good to know not easy. At some point I will get the time though and dive into it, learn new things. One time I didn't have a job for several months that was great.
      - jcun4128 5y ago
        No tubes used but been watching the CuriousMarc series about Apollo missions recently really cool, particularly the TWT stuff and core memory.
      - joeberon 5y ago
        not only “not easy”, I highly doubt it is even theoretically possible in this universe. Probably it can be proved that a computer that simulates the universe must have at least as many qubits as atoms in the universe to be able to describe the state of the universe or something. Obviously not possible since qubits are physical entities
        jcun4128 5y ago
        Don't mean to drag this on, not arguing with you guys but, can you not do a small part, like a puddle. Not the entire universe. I realize that's still a lot but you know, maybe you could do small sets/chunk it but yeah it's all bs on my part.
        Smaug123 5y ago
        It is probably outside the human civilisation's current abilities to simulate the molecular physics of a human cell. Looking through the references of https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-43229-4_28 https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-43229-4_... turns up in particular https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1094342018819741 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1094342018819741 from the year 2019, which mentions simulating "20 trillion atoms" on a certain supercomputer; this is perhaps enough atoms to make a very small cell, but I presume those simulated atoms are somehow very nicely behaved (and are simulated over a very short simulated timeframe) relative to the actual biology that happens in humans.

joeberon 5y ago

We can't even simulate the dynamics of a simple atomic system in an exact way, without making assumptions. The universe is that but with many many more atoms and complicated couplings. The universe is much more powerful of a simulation than any computer can ever be. Even if you used a quantum computer you'd need as many qubits as that original primordial soup. Our computers are not more powerful than the "computer of the Universe", they are much _much_ less powerful.

jcun4128 5y ago
I have heard of that saying before with regard to atoms in the universe, I think in context of brute forcing but yeah. Good info