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> qb, where keyboard gets first class in the application No need to contribute to the Chromium monopoly, luakit (what this comment’s sent from) and some other

> qb, where keyboard gets first class in the application No need to contribute to the Chromium monopoly, luakit (what this comment’s sent from) and some other browsers (off the top of my head: nyxt and, to varying extents, Palemoon, lynx, and eww + evil-mode) offer the same thing.

forgotmypw17 5y ago
I don't have much experience with nyxt or luakit, but the other browsers do not even come close to these features: All the keyboard shortcut always work, not just once a tab that's allow-listed has been loaded and JS has been injected into it. All the settings, including e.g. tab position, fonts, tab loading indicator colors, etc. are configurable via :set All keys are bindable to all commands via :bind JavaScript, image loading, etc can be toggled globally, per domain, or for individual pages with keyboard shortcut. Also, there is an amazing support channel on IRC. I sympathize with your dislike of the Chrome monopoly. I test my websites in Lynx, Links, AND w3m, not to mention Netscape, IE, Opera, Firefox, PaleMoon, Waterfox, Safari, and many others. However, I also want a usable and performant browsing experience -- something Chrome definitely does not provide, but qb does. I don't think it's anywhere close to being Chrome, it is way better.
- boogies 5y ago
  Luakit, Pentadactyl, and I think nyxt (the only one I haven’t tried) all offer everything you describe, except that their IRC channels are pretty sleepy, some of luakit’s configuration requires you to edit ~/.config/luakit/rc.conf (a lua filen with all the power that provides, but simple enough to understand without knowing the language) and :restart (which preserves tabs and scroll positions, though not all JS state), and I don’t remember per domain/page JS toggles in Pentadactyl (though global JS toggle worked, and luakit’s per domain JS toggle is great and global toggle fine). Anything Chromium based is virtually as bad as Chrome in terms of increasing the engine’s market share, making it the de facto standard and making the majority of web devs test their sites less or not at all on other engines (I appreciate you being an exceptional dev in that regard, but I’d appreciate more you doing your small part to influence all the other devs of the sites you use).
  - forgotmypw17 5y ago
    Well, FWIW, I've been using Firefox 66.x for the past few months, the best I have found for Ubuntu 14.x, which is what came with my current primary device. :)

forgotmypw17 5y ago

I don't have much experience with nyxt or luakit, but the other browsers do not even come close to these features: All the keyboard shortcut always work, not just once a tab that's allow-listed has been loaded and JS has been injected into it. All the settings, including e.g. tab position, fonts, tab loading indicator colors, etc. are configurable via :set All keys are bindable to all commands via :bind JavaScript, image loading, etc can be toggled globally, per domain, or for individual pages with keyboard shortcut. Also, there is an amazing support channel on IRC. I sympathize with your dislike of the Chrome monopoly. I test my websites in Lynx, Links, AND w3m, not to mention Netscape, IE, Opera, Firefox, PaleMoon, Waterfox, Safari, and many others. However, I also want a usable and performant browsing experience -- something Chrome definitely does not provide, but qb does. I don't think it's anywhere close to being Chrome, it is way better.

boogies 5y ago
Luakit, Pentadactyl, and I think nyxt (the only one I haven’t tried) all offer everything you describe, except that their IRC channels are pretty sleepy, some of luakit’s configuration requires you to edit ~/.config/luakit/rc.conf (a lua filen with all the power that provides, but simple enough to understand without knowing the language) and :restart (which preserves tabs and scroll positions, though not all JS state), and I don’t remember per domain/page JS toggles in Pentadactyl (though global JS toggle worked, and luakit’s per domain JS toggle is great and global toggle fine). Anything Chromium based is virtually as bad as Chrome in terms of increasing the engine’s market share, making it the de facto standard and making the majority of web devs test their sites less or not at all on other engines (I appreciate you being an exceptional dev in that regard, but I’d appreciate more you doing your small part to influence all the other devs of the sites you use).
- forgotmypw17 5y ago
  Well, FWIW, I've been using Firefox 66.x for the past few months, the best I have found for Ubuntu 14.x, which is what came with my current primary device. :)