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No, it's a legal problem. There are countries where groping women is not a big deal for example. Even in the most "ideal" EU countries, casual racism is an afte

by _8j50 5y ago

No, it's a legal problem. There are countries where groping women is not a big deal for example. Even in the most "ideal" EU countries, casual racism is an afterthought. Reaction is a problem because there is no adverse consequence to the perpetrator. I don't need a browser extension, I need CEOs in prison. Then reactions will catch up.

thrashh 5y ago
I think it’s a cultural problem. Things are or are not a problem in certain places because that’s just how things have been done. You pick it up when you grow up in that culture. Which leads to the problem of determining what is actually right or wrong. For example, I naturally believe that racism is wrong because of the culture I grew up in (multicultural California) tells me that it’s wrong. But I also believe it is wrong because it undermines society and adds unnecessary friction to interactions, so it’s simply more productive if it didn’t exist. I believe that privacy is important because I believe humans work best when they feel free to think and act freely. I believe society (and myself as a result) benefits far more in that scenario.
- _8j50 5y ago
  You bring up an interesting point. But even at the peak of slavery in the US, there were "white" people who believed all people are created equal and deserve equal rights, some even helped free slaves. I think it is more of a worldview thing which is influenced by local culture. You beliefs about answers to fundamental questions like why do people exist? What are valid authority systems and structures? What is the origin of humans? And more questions like this, makes the difference. I believe racism is wrong because I don't believe race is a thing beyond a social classification system. I believe in ethnicities and diffrences between them, but humans share a common origin. Even if some humans have less or more capability to do certain things than others, in order to be just, one must evaluate others as individuals not groups. Even if some statistic about a group can predict behavior of all but one members of a group, prejudice against that one member is still unjust and unfair, We should treat others the way we want to be treated ourselves. But back to the topic, I think I agree with you that why we believe privacy is important is critical to make any improvements or changes. Simply put, privacy is power. When someone deprives you of privacy against your consent (where expectation of it is readonable), they are excercising power over you. They are excecising a claim that for whatever reason, information about you now belongs to them. If all or most information about you belongs to someone, you are now their subject. It could be as simple as a lack of understanding of the implications of privacy deprivation.
po1nt 5y ago
How did you bring up groping and racism into CSS fingerprinting topic?
- _8j50 5y ago
  Except I was replying to a comment about systemic acceptance of privacy deprivation. Groping and racism are considered unacceptable in most places, good case studies to correlatr and then find cause of systemic acceptances. Interesting how you are trying to change the conversation and make it about the analogy used to analyze the root cause of the issue described in the post.
SahAssar 5y ago
> Even in the most "ideal" EU countries, casual racism is an afterthought Could you clarify what you mean and what countries?
- _8j50 5y ago
  I would rather not distract from the discussion at hand. If you don't already know the answer to that, I would rather not discuss the subject here.
  - SahAssar 5y ago
    If you don't want to say what you imply then perhaps don't imply it at all. You actually explaining what you're implying will not distract unless the original implication was also distracting. This just makes it look like you want to state opinions as facts without even stating the opinion fully.
    - _8j50 5y ago
      As far as I know and intended this is common knowledge. Plenty of ways to find out which countries treat foreigners and minorities badly. Either I list all EU countries or you are asking me to build a case against specific ones. Either way, I am not interested, if you wish to believe otherwise then consider my statement an opinion.
      - SahAssar 5y ago
        If it is common knowledge then it should be easy for you to link me a source for what what you are referring to.

by _8j50 5y ago

thrashh 5y ago

I think it’s a cultural problem. Things are or are not a problem in certain places because that’s just how things have been done. You pick it up when you grow up in that culture. Which leads to the problem of determining what is actually right or wrong. For example, I naturally believe that racism is wrong because of the culture I grew up in (multicultural California) tells me that it’s wrong. But I also believe it is wrong because it undermines society and adds unnecessary friction to interactions, so it’s simply more productive if it didn’t exist. I believe that privacy is important because I believe humans work best when they feel free to think and act freely. I believe society (and myself as a result) benefits far more in that scenario.

_8j50 5y ago
You bring up an interesting point. But even at the peak of slavery in the US, there were "white" people who believed all people are created equal and deserve equal rights, some even helped free slaves. I think it is more of a worldview thing which is influenced by local culture. You beliefs about answers to fundamental questions like why do people exist? What are valid authority systems and structures? What is the origin of humans? And more questions like this, makes the difference. I believe racism is wrong because I don't believe race is a thing beyond a social classification system. I believe in ethnicities and diffrences between them, but humans share a common origin. Even if some humans have less or more capability to do certain things than others, in order to be just, one must evaluate others as individuals not groups. Even if some statistic about a group can predict behavior of all but one members of a group, prejudice against that one member is still unjust and unfair, We should treat others the way we want to be treated ourselves. But back to the topic, I think I agree with you that why we believe privacy is important is critical to make any improvements or changes. Simply put, privacy is power. When someone deprives you of privacy against your consent (where expectation of it is readonable), they are excercising power over you. They are excecising a claim that for whatever reason, information about you now belongs to them. If all or most information about you belongs to someone, you are now their subject. It could be as simple as a lack of understanding of the implications of privacy deprivation.

po1nt 5y ago

How did you bring up groping and racism into CSS fingerprinting topic?

_8j50 5y ago
Except I was replying to a comment about systemic acceptance of privacy deprivation. Groping and racism are considered unacceptable in most places, good case studies to correlatr and then find cause of systemic acceptances. Interesting how you are trying to change the conversation and make it about the analogy used to analyze the root cause of the issue described in the post.

SahAssar 5y ago

> Even in the most "ideal" EU countries, casual racism is an afterthought Could you clarify what you mean and what countries?

_8j50 5y ago
I would rather not distract from the discussion at hand. If you don't already know the answer to that, I would rather not discuss the subject here.
- SahAssar 5y ago
  If you don't want to say what you imply then perhaps don't imply it at all. You actually explaining what you're implying will not distract unless the original implication was also distracting. This just makes it look like you want to state opinions as facts without even stating the opinion fully.
  - _8j50 5y ago
    As far as I know and intended this is common knowledge. Plenty of ways to find out which countries treat foreigners and minorities badly. Either I list all EU countries or you are asking me to build a case against specific ones. Either way, I am not interested, if you wish to believe otherwise then consider my statement an opinion.
    - SahAssar 5y ago
      If it is common knowledge then it should be easy for you to link me a source for what what you are referring to.