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I'm not sure why you're comparing an very logic driven system like ABS to self-driving ("AI"). ABS follows pretty simple logic, comparing wheel sensors (and in

I'm not sure why you're comparing an very logic driven system like ABS to self-driving ("AI"). ABS follows pretty simple logic, comparing wheel sensors (and in more modern cars, additionally: accelerometers and if the vehicle has stability control, a yaw rate sensor aka gyro.) There's little "fuzzy" or subjective evaluations in ABS, there's no need to "train" it, and so on. Also, it's a poor example of deskilling, because ABS was designed to do something humans cannot do. ABS is designed to stop or reduce incidents of uneven-braking-surface induced yaw. Ie, left tire has grip, right tire has less / no grip, which will induce counter-clockwise yaw. ABS is able to stop a car faster than any human possibly could in cases where there's uneven traction because it allows any wheel with grip to keep braking. Modern ABS systems can outbrake a human; older systems were slow and could be out-braked by a driver trained in threshold braking performing a planned stop.

eru 5y ago
> Also, it's a poor example of deskilling, because ABS was designed to do something humans cannot do. Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadence_braking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadence_braking Wikipedia> Anti-lock braking system performs these operations automatically many times per second in rapid succession. A human driver can perform one lock-release cycle per second with practice. Wikipedia> While cadence braking is effective on most surfaces, it is less effective at slowing the vehicle than keeping the tires continually at the optimum braking point which is called threshold braking. The latter is an expert driving technique that is even more difficult to learn than cadence braking, and again has been largely superseded by ABS. > I'm not sure why you're comparing an very logic driven system like ABS to self-driving ("AI"). ABS follows pretty simple logic, comparing wheel sensors (and in more modern cars, additionally: accelerometers and if the vehicle has stability control, a yaw rate sensor aka gyro.) There's little "fuzzy" or subjective evaluations in ABS, there's no need to "train" it, and so on. See the larger point I was making about deskilling. ABS was indeed never seen as something that would require much intelligence. Route planning however was. But thanks to the AI effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect), as soon as we understand and implement something, it's no longer seen as AI. That's just a side-show. My main point was really about deskilling through technology, even without or before AI. So a bit of a tangent to the comment I was replying to.

eru 5y ago

> Also, it's a poor example of deskilling, because ABS was designed to do something humans cannot do. Compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadence_braking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadence_braking Wikipedia> Anti-lock braking system performs these operations automatically many times per second in rapid succession. A human driver can perform one lock-release cycle per second with practice. Wikipedia> While cadence braking is effective on most surfaces, it is less effective at slowing the vehicle than keeping the tires continually at the optimum braking point which is called threshold braking. The latter is an expert driving technique that is even more difficult to learn than cadence braking, and again has been largely superseded by ABS. > I'm not sure why you're comparing an very logic driven system like ABS to self-driving ("AI"). ABS follows pretty simple logic, comparing wheel sensors (and in more modern cars, additionally: accelerometers and if the vehicle has stability control, a yaw rate sensor aka gyro.) There's little "fuzzy" or subjective evaluations in ABS, there's no need to "train" it, and so on. See the larger point I was making about deskilling. ABS was indeed never seen as something that would require much intelligence. Route planning however was. But thanks to the AI effect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect), as soon as we understand and implement something, it's no longer seen as AI. That's just a side-show. My main point was really about deskilling through technology, even without or before AI. So a bit of a tangent to the comment I was replying to.