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The success and impact of this will come down to pricing, the state of charging networks, and production quantity. It looks like it has roughly "table stakes"

The success and impact of this will come down to pricing, the state of charging networks, and production quantity. It looks like it has roughly "table stakes" as far as capabilities go, at best, beating neither the Model Y or Mach-E on range, but likely costing less to compensate. In my humble opinion, the name is horrendous. May they have the wisdom to change it when they start selling it in the U.S.

themitigating 5y ago
Tesla said it's releasing a CCS adapter and they may open up their charging network to other brands. If all the charging networks are combined then that might resolve issues for 95 percent of all drives
- mullingitover 5y ago
  This would probably drive me away from buying a Tesla. They can't even keep up with demand for their superchargers when they're only serving Teslas[1]. Opening them up to any random EV would make make their charging network a complete mess. [1] https://www.thedrive.com/news/31274/more-teslas-on-the-road-meant-hours-long-supercharger-lines-over-thanksgiving https://www.thedrive.com/news/31274/more-teslas-on-the-road-...
  - cure 5y ago
    Well... Tesla have said they are planning to triple the size of the supercharger network over the next two years. Cf. https://electrek.co/2021/10/21/tesla-plans-triple-supercharger-network/ https://electrek.co/2021/10/21/tesla-plans-triple-supercharg... And they did have a 79% market share of all EVs sold in the US last year (though, that is expected to be lower this year, and the EV market segment is growing very fast). Cf. https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2021/08/as-ev-sales-double-tesla-market-share-starts-to-slide/ https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2021/08/as-ev-sales-double-.... In Canada, Tesla is deploying supercharger stations with separate, dedicated chargers for all other brands to take advantage of government subsidies. I wouldn't put it past them to prioritize their own cars in some way when they finally open up to other makes.
  - mpalczewski 5y ago
    Are only Tesla's allowed to charge at Tesla charging stations? I had always assumed these were like gas stations where you can bring any car to fill up. If each manufacturer is going to have their own network, this doesn't seem like a good path forward.
    - neogodless 5y ago
      To my knowledge, Tesla has the only proprietary network. Everyone else jumped on board a (different) standard connector (CCS). Though this is reportedly going to change, with Tesla switching to CCS and opening up their charging stations to it. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-plans-open-up-its-charging-network-other-evs-later-this-year-2021-07-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...
lern_too_spel 5y ago
There are a lot of people who like Toyotas because they just work. If they can put out a mid-spec EV that doesn't have GM's fire issues or Tesla's missing fasteners issues, they'll get customers. https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/ev-reliability-varied-as-gasoline-cars-consumer-reports/ https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/ev-reliability-varied-as-...
- SECProto 5y ago
  I am one of those people. Driving a decade old Toyota Yaris with 210,000km, have performed <$500 in unplanned maintenance (had a ground fault that affected the wipers, cost ~$250). I'm planning to upgrade to full electric sometime in the next three years, whenever something compelling comes up. If I had to switch today, it'd be a Leaf (doesnt suit my distance needs), a Model Y (doesnt suit my budget), or a Bolt EV (doesnt suit my no-active-recalls-due-to-fundamental-fire-risk requirement). Hyundai and Kia are out due to bad past experience with them (engine totally died just outside warranty, known issue, no option other than a $9000 engine replacement with no guarantees the same thing wouldn't happen 31 days thereafter). If Toyota or Honda had a compelling option I would buy in in a heartbeat

themitigating 5y ago

Tesla said it's releasing a CCS adapter and they may open up their charging network to other brands. If all the charging networks are combined then that might resolve issues for 95 percent of all drives

mullingitover 5y ago
This would probably drive me away from buying a Tesla. They can't even keep up with demand for their superchargers when they're only serving Teslas[1]. Opening them up to any random EV would make make their charging network a complete mess. [1] https://www.thedrive.com/news/31274/more-teslas-on-the-road-meant-hours-long-supercharger-lines-over-thanksgiving https://www.thedrive.com/news/31274/more-teslas-on-the-road-...
- cure 5y ago
  Well... Tesla have said they are planning to triple the size of the supercharger network over the next two years. Cf. https://electrek.co/2021/10/21/tesla-plans-triple-supercharger-network/ https://electrek.co/2021/10/21/tesla-plans-triple-supercharg... And they did have a 79% market share of all EVs sold in the US last year (though, that is expected to be lower this year, and the EV market segment is growing very fast). Cf. https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2021/08/as-ev-sales-double-tesla-market-share-starts-to-slide/ https://www.thedetroitbureau.com/2021/08/as-ev-sales-double-.... In Canada, Tesla is deploying supercharger stations with separate, dedicated chargers for all other brands to take advantage of government subsidies. I wouldn't put it past them to prioritize their own cars in some way when they finally open up to other makes.
- mpalczewski 5y ago
  Are only Tesla's allowed to charge at Tesla charging stations? I had always assumed these were like gas stations where you can bring any car to fill up. If each manufacturer is going to have their own network, this doesn't seem like a good path forward.
  - neogodless 5y ago
    To my knowledge, Tesla has the only proprietary network. Everyone else jumped on board a (different) standard connector (CCS). Though this is reportedly going to change, with Tesla switching to CCS and opening up their charging stations to it. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-plans-open-up-its-charging-network-other-evs-later-this-year-2021-07-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...

lern_too_spel 5y ago

There are a lot of people who like Toyotas because they just work. If they can put out a mid-spec EV that doesn't have GM's fire issues or Tesla's missing fasteners issues, they'll get customers. https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/ev-reliability-varied-as-gasoline-cars-consumer-reports/ https://www.forbes.com/wheels/news/ev-reliability-varied-as-...

SECProto 5y ago
I am one of those people. Driving a decade old Toyota Yaris with 210,000km, have performed <$500 in unplanned maintenance (had a ground fault that affected the wipers, cost ~$250). I'm planning to upgrade to full electric sometime in the next three years, whenever something compelling comes up. If I had to switch today, it'd be a Leaf (doesnt suit my distance needs), a Model Y (doesnt suit my budget), or a Bolt EV (doesnt suit my no-active-recalls-due-to-fundamental-fire-risk requirement). Hyundai and Kia are out due to bad past experience with them (engine totally died just outside warranty, known issue, no option other than a $9000 engine replacement with no guarantees the same thing wouldn't happen 31 days thereafter). If Toyota or Honda had a compelling option I would buy in in a heartbeat