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Lying about percentage needed to reach herd immunity?! I’m not actually familiar with the claims this is directed at, but due to the changing circumstance with

by mint2 5y ago

Lying about percentage needed to reach herd immunity?! I’m not actually familiar with the claims this is directed at, but due to the changing circumstance with more transmissible variants and not even 100% of data on the original, it’s hard to take a comment like that seriously. Being incorrect or becoming no longer correct due to changed circumstances doesn’t make a claim a lie or the person making it a liar.

b0sk 5y ago
The moment he uses that word, his impartiality goes out of the window. Viruses adapt, the science adapts. You give your best information at that point and you don't want to muddy the public with confidence intervals and all that.
- ghoward 5y ago
  Fauci did not give us his best information. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covi... So he lied. Plain and simple. I used that word because it's the truth, even though it's strong because sugarcoating the truth is lying. Using the term "sugarcoating" is, in fact, trying to sugarcoat the fact that sugarcoating is lying!
ghoward 5y ago
Fauci said that he keeps moving the goalposts based on what he thinks we are "ready to hear": > He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covi... Sure, if he said it was because of more information, I could take him seriously. But when he says the above, it means he's making excuses for lying.
- mint2 5y ago
  From the article > “ We need to have some humility here,” he added. “We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I’m not going to say 90 percent.” We don’t know, he doesn’t know, no one knows the exact number. Yeah he’s being a bit coy, but all the numbers he’s thrown out since the delta are in that range Btw Fauci technically isn’t cdc. Just saying bc we’re being ultra strict on the herd immunity estimates but very lax on other facts when accusing the cdc. Seems inconsistent.
  - ghoward 5y ago
    A "bit coy"? No. He said it explicitly that he's picking the highest number on the range. He gives no reason. Why not just tell us the range and leave it there? Also, if "we need to have some humility," then perhaps maybe experts should stop thinking that they know best for everyone?

by mint2 5y ago

b0sk 5y ago

The moment he uses that word, his impartiality goes out of the window. Viruses adapt, the science adapts. You give your best information at that point and you don't want to muddy the public with confidence intervals and all that.

ghoward 5y ago
Fauci did not give us his best information. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covi... So he lied. Plain and simple. I used that word because it's the truth, even though it's strong because sugarcoating the truth is lying. Using the term "sugarcoating" is, in fact, trying to sugarcoat the fact that sugarcoating is lying!

ghoward 5y ago

Fauci said that he keeps moving the goalposts based on what he thinks we are "ready to hear": > He is doing so, he said, partly based on new science, and partly on his gut feeling that the country is finally ready to hear what he really thinks. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covi... Sure, if he said it was because of more information, I could take him seriously. But when he says the above, it means he's making excuses for lying.

mint2 5y ago
From the article > “ We need to have some humility here,” he added. “We really don’t know what the real number is. I think the real range is somewhere between 70 to 90 percent. But, I’m not going to say 90 percent.” We don’t know, he doesn’t know, no one knows the exact number. Yeah he’s being a bit coy, but all the numbers he’s thrown out since the delta are in that range Btw Fauci technically isn’t cdc. Just saying bc we’re being ultra strict on the herd immunity estimates but very lax on other facts when accusing the cdc. Seems inconsistent.
- ghoward 5y ago
  A "bit coy"? No. He said it explicitly that he's picking the highest number on the range. He gives no reason. Why not just tell us the range and leave it there? Also, if "we need to have some humility," then perhaps maybe experts should stop thinking that they know best for everyone?