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"Gender" as a concept came in linguistics first[0]. Social sciences co-opted the word later in the 1950s (Simone de Beauvoir comes to mind as one of the first p

by chewxy 5y ago

"Gender" as a concept came in linguistics first[0]. Social sciences co-opted the word later in the 1950s (Simone de Beauvoir comes to mind as one of the first people to use "gender" in its modern sense). The linguistics notion of gender is not tied to masculine or feminine (though they are taught thus). We now associate the word "gender" with its modern political meaning but in the past, the word "gender" was treated the way you'd use "noun class" [0]: https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gender&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Cgender%3B%2Cc0 https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=gender&year_st...

monopoledance 5y ago
> modern political meaning Going straight from linguistics to politics… that’s a little framing, isn’t it? The establishment of an extension of meaning for ‘gender’ is not a feminist power move, but recognized as useful distinction all over the place. > “Sexologist John Money is often regarded as the first to introduce a distinction between biological sex and gender identity/role in 1955, although Madison Bentley had already defined gender as the "socialized obverse of sex" a decade earlier. As originally conceived by Money, gender and sex are analysed together as a single category including both biological and social elements, but later work by Robert Stoller separated the two, designating sex and gender as biological and cultural categories, respectively. Before the work of Bentley, Money and Stoller, the word gender was only regularly used to refer to grammatical categories.” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction
- doublepg23 5y ago
  I'm surprised you'd reference John Money and not expect politics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money#Controversies
  - monopoledance 5y ago
    Oh, are you? So the fact he is an asshole makes everything he did and thought “politics”? Is everything, any scientist does, which supports a world view you don’t like, “politics”? Does this somehow invalidate the correction about the origins of ‘gender’’s popular meaning? Have you read the article I linked? Do you still agree the distinction between sex and gender is all “politics”?

by chewxy 5y ago

monopoledance 5y ago

> modern political meaning Going straight from linguistics to politics… that’s a little framing, isn’t it? The establishment of an extension of meaning for ‘gender’ is not a feminist power move, but recognized as useful distinction all over the place. > “Sexologist John Money is often regarded as the first to introduce a distinction between biological sex and gender identity/role in 1955, although Madison Bentley had already defined gender as the "socialized obverse of sex" a decade earlier. As originally conceived by Money, gender and sex are analysed together as a single category including both biological and social elements, but later work by Robert Stoller separated the two, designating sex and gender as biological and cultural categories, respectively. Before the work of Bentley, Money and Stoller, the word gender was only regularly used to refer to grammatical categories.” - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction

doublepg23 5y ago
I'm surprised you'd reference John Money and not expect politics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Money#Controversies
- monopoledance 5y ago
  Oh, are you? So the fact he is an asshole makes everything he did and thought “politics”? Is everything, any scientist does, which supports a world view you don’t like, “politics”? Does this somehow invalidate the correction about the origins of ‘gender’’s popular meaning? Have you read the article I linked? Do you still agree the distinction between sex and gender is all “politics”?