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>There's nothing degrading about cleaning up shit and piss That fragment emphasizes the feces and urine but not the circumstances. >The degradation comes when

by jasode 5y ago

>There's nothing degrading about cleaning up shit and piss That fragment emphasizes the feces and urine but not the circumstances. >The degradation comes when [...] Yes, now we do get to the particular circumstances in regards to shit & piss and it turns out that it does matter. For example, on the Apollo 8 spaceflight, astronaut Frank Borman had diarrhea in space. The turds were floating around in the capsule and landed on the instrument panels: https://www.google.com/search?q=Frank+Borman+diarrhea https://www.google.com/search?q=Frank+Borman+diarrhea It is not dehumanizing nor demeaning for his fellow astronauts to help clean up the poop. But an inconsiderate truck driver leaving behind a shit explosion on the toilet and floor without cleaning it up is treating the office workers as subhuman. It's a different circumstance. Similar idea to clearing food and dishes off the tables. That act in isolation is not dehumanizing. E.g. many people clear food off the tables whether it's Thanksgiving dinner or everyday occasion. However, leaving behind a table mess like the following pics show for restaurant workers to clean up after you is treating them as subhuman: https://old.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/7igpwh/people_who_leave_fast_food_places_like_this/ https://old.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/7igpwh/p... https://old.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/6pxxqj/people_who_leave_their_garbage_at_the_table_at/ https://old.reddit.com/r/mildlyinfuriating/comments/6pxxqj/p... That moms around the world willingly clean up dinner tables without feeling dehumanized is irrelevant to mistreating restaurant workers like that. And consider that fast food wrappers and half-eaten food is a much lower level of nastiness than feces and urine on the toilet seat and floor.

nullstyle 5y ago
"But an inconsiderate truck driver leaving behind a shit explosion on the toilet and floor without cleaning it up is treating the office workers as subhuman. It's a different circumstance." You're putting the blame solely on the truck driver -- perhaps he couldn't afford or was unable to be considerate -- and not the fucked up situation we've built regarding what should be considered a basic human right (easy access to sanitation). Tantrums are bound to happen. Some people smear shit onto walls I'm not saying they're ok. It doesn't change the fact that everyone deserves access to a toilet and clean water, and some of our fellow citizens aren't getting it. I specifically take issue with the number of bad assumptions you are baking into your argument. It's degrading for an office worker to clean up someone else's shit, _unless_ that's the job they've signed up for and they're cool with it. I imagine few offices actually pay their facilities staff well enough to deal with shitsmearing, but as I said -- that's where the actual degredation comes from. shit jobs should give stellar pay, but we don't value things like that around here.
- jasode 5y ago
  >I specifically take issue with the number of bad assumptions you are baking into your argument. I see your confusion. To clarify, nowhere did I say that workers who deliberately take jobs to clean up human waste (e.g. janitors, daycare workers, etc) are degrading. I made no assumptions like that. Your other sentence about office workers who are not janitors is the group I'm talking about: >It's degrading for an office worker to clean up someone else's shit,
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by jasode 5y ago

nullstyle 5y ago

"But an inconsiderate truck driver leaving behind a shit explosion on the toilet and floor without cleaning it up is treating the office workers as subhuman. It's a different circumstance." You're putting the blame solely on the truck driver -- perhaps he couldn't afford or was unable to be considerate -- and not the fucked up situation we've built regarding what should be considered a basic human right (easy access to sanitation). Tantrums are bound to happen. Some people smear shit onto walls I'm not saying they're ok. It doesn't change the fact that everyone deserves access to a toilet and clean water, and some of our fellow citizens aren't getting it. I specifically take issue with the number of bad assumptions you are baking into your argument. It's degrading for an office worker to clean up someone else's shit, _unless_ that's the job they've signed up for and they're cool with it. I imagine few offices actually pay their facilities staff well enough to deal with shitsmearing, but as I said -- that's where the actual degredation comes from. shit jobs should give stellar pay, but we don't value things like that around here.

jasode 5y ago
>I specifically take issue with the number of bad assumptions you are baking into your argument. I see your confusion. To clarify, nowhere did I say that workers who deliberately take jobs to clean up human waste (e.g. janitors, daycare workers, etc) are degrading. I made no assumptions like that. Your other sentence about office workers who are not janitors is the group I'm talking about: >It's degrading for an office worker to clean up someone else's shit,
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