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I think probably you shouldn't be talking down to the firefighter about fire safety this way Most of what you said was already addressed

mindcrime 5y ago
It's all good. Just because I have experience as a firefighter and have some domain knowledge that the average joe lacks, doesn't mean I'm always right. And my comments above were based on, as I've said, limited knowledge as there are a lot of areas that TFA doesn't touch on. I think this is a good discussion though, as maybe it exposes some members of the public-at-large to some thoughts on fire-safety that they haven't considered deeply before. If so, that's a win in my book.
LegitShady 5y ago
The architect didn't resign over fire safety. The fire safety discussion isn't really relevant. There are a lot of sprinkled buildings with rooms without direct exits or Windows. Most office building and many dorms etc even. That's not a statement of support for the building just that it isn't why this architect found issue.
quickthrowman 5y ago
What makes a firefighter an expert on building egress requirements? The building must meet NFPA code (or whichever fire code the AHJ has selected) or it can’t be built, period. Whoever their insurance company is will not insure the building if it doesn’t meet life safety requirements. Dismissing someone who isn’t a fire code expert who is making claims about fire safety is just fine to me. If we were discussing how to safely fight fires, then by all means defer to the firefighter.
- mindcrime 5y ago
  The building must meet NFPA code or it can’t be built, period. To be pedantic, that may be the case for this specific building, as CA may be a state that simply adopted the relevant NFPA model code wholesale and with no changes; but it's not a true statement in the most general sense, as not all localities adopt the various NFPA codes verbatim (or at all).
  - quickthrowman 5y ago
    You’re correct, I edited my post to reflect that right as you posted. Thanks for posting the clarification.

mindcrime 5y ago

It's all good. Just because I have experience as a firefighter and have some domain knowledge that the average joe lacks, doesn't mean I'm always right. And my comments above were based on, as I've said, limited knowledge as there are a lot of areas that TFA doesn't touch on. I think this is a good discussion though, as maybe it exposes some members of the public-at-large to some thoughts on fire-safety that they haven't considered deeply before. If so, that's a win in my book.

LegitShady 5y ago

The architect didn't resign over fire safety. The fire safety discussion isn't really relevant. There are a lot of sprinkled buildings with rooms without direct exits or Windows. Most office building and many dorms etc even. That's not a statement of support for the building just that it isn't why this architect found issue.

quickthrowman 5y ago

What makes a firefighter an expert on building egress requirements? The building must meet NFPA code (or whichever fire code the AHJ has selected) or it can’t be built, period. Whoever their insurance company is will not insure the building if it doesn’t meet life safety requirements. Dismissing someone who isn’t a fire code expert who is making claims about fire safety is just fine to me. If we were discussing how to safely fight fires, then by all means defer to the firefighter.

mindcrime 5y ago
The building must meet NFPA code or it can’t be built, period. To be pedantic, that may be the case for this specific building, as CA may be a state that simply adopted the relevant NFPA model code wholesale and with no changes; but it's not a true statement in the most general sense, as not all localities adopt the various NFPA codes verbatim (or at all).
- quickthrowman 5y ago
  You’re correct, I edited my post to reflect that right as you posted. Thanks for posting the clarification.