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It is very interesting, this is a cycle you can see repeated in cities and governments for hundreds (or thousands) of years. The multi-generational mindset shi

It is very interesting, this is a cycle you can see repeated in cities and governments for hundreds (or thousands) of years. The multi-generational mindset shifts of work vs leisure come in waves.

phone8675309 5y ago
It’s a feature, not a bug. The monied classes/aristocracy use the good times to pad their coffers and make the plebs feel like they can succeed and then they hunker down and wait out the bad times in their castles and mansions while the plebs fight for king and country because the aristocrats/monarchs got bored and kicked off a war, the plebs get sick and die while the rulers/owners stay safe by sending their servants into harms way out to attend to their external needs, or the plebs starve in the self-inflicted financial collapse. Sometimes you get all three in quick succession like the early 20th century.
- BbzzbB 5y ago
  That put way too much intent over people's actions IMO. Who the hell are these aristocrats orchestrating multi-generational psy-ops? Do they meet over brunch to plan it? Not every theory has to be explained by conspiracies. I don't know if Strauss-Howe's theory is accurate, but it seems to me (a layman) completely defensible thru plain psychology, sociology and observation, a defensible "natural evolution/patterns of societies theory".
  - hacksnewer 5y ago
    Ibn Khaldun
  - dragonwriter 5y ago
    > Who the hell are these aristocrats orchestrating multi-generational psy-ops? The capitalist class. > Do they meet over brunch to plan it? Sometimes. Sometimes dinner. Sometimes drinks. Sometimes, at meetings of the global institutions they and their paid agents run. Not, like, in one unified, organized group, just a disproportionately powerful class, with many members aggressively pursuing their own self-interest, and coordinating on that where they recognize the opportunity. The same way they overthrew the feudal order and established the capitalist order in the first place. (And also the same way that the larger but less disproportionately powerful classes beneath them have weakened the capitalist system in favor of modern mixed economy as the dominant system of the last century. Which has a lot of the first group irritated.)
    - BbzzbB 5y ago
      All things considered they're not too bad if their goal when fabricating bad times is so that the next generation gets stronger. I would be solely focused on my self-interest if I was a Machiavellian oligarch.
ootsootsoots 5y ago
Mirror neurons. My kids are being raised on a diet of learn to compute and be kind, not a conqueror. Rather than stories of Davids and Goliath, or it has to work this way because it did work this way. Mirror neurons can start blinking on and off to less specific story, constrained to build and tend kingdom or flock. The toughness humanity has rewarded belongs to conquerors of others. The toughness we need is conquering self. I don’t owe billionaires validation, or politicians allegiance. They can tough out having their figurative identity suffocated. To the flames…

It is very interesting, this is a cycle you can see repeated in cities and governments for hundreds (or thousands) of years. The multi-generational mindset shifts of work vs leisure come in waves.

phone8675309 5y ago

It’s a feature, not a bug. The monied classes/aristocracy use the good times to pad their coffers and make the plebs feel like they can succeed and then they hunker down and wait out the bad times in their castles and mansions while the plebs fight for king and country because the aristocrats/monarchs got bored and kicked off a war, the plebs get sick and die while the rulers/owners stay safe by sending their servants into harms way out to attend to their external needs, or the plebs starve in the self-inflicted financial collapse. Sometimes you get all three in quick succession like the early 20th century.

BbzzbB 5y ago
That put way too much intent over people's actions IMO. Who the hell are these aristocrats orchestrating multi-generational psy-ops? Do they meet over brunch to plan it? Not every theory has to be explained by conspiracies. I don't know if Strauss-Howe's theory is accurate, but it seems to me (a layman) completely defensible thru plain psychology, sociology and observation, a defensible "natural evolution/patterns of societies theory".
- hacksnewer 5y ago
  Ibn Khaldun
- dragonwriter 5y ago
  > Who the hell are these aristocrats orchestrating multi-generational psy-ops? The capitalist class. > Do they meet over brunch to plan it? Sometimes. Sometimes dinner. Sometimes drinks. Sometimes, at meetings of the global institutions they and their paid agents run. Not, like, in one unified, organized group, just a disproportionately powerful class, with many members aggressively pursuing their own self-interest, and coordinating on that where they recognize the opportunity. The same way they overthrew the feudal order and established the capitalist order in the first place. (And also the same way that the larger but less disproportionately powerful classes beneath them have weakened the capitalist system in favor of modern mixed economy as the dominant system of the last century. Which has a lot of the first group irritated.)
  - BbzzbB 5y ago
    All things considered they're not too bad if their goal when fabricating bad times is so that the next generation gets stronger. I would be solely focused on my self-interest if I was a Machiavellian oligarch.

ootsootsoots 5y ago

Mirror neurons. My kids are being raised on a diet of learn to compute and be kind, not a conqueror. Rather than stories of Davids and Goliath, or it has to work this way because it did work this way. Mirror neurons can start blinking on and off to less specific story, constrained to build and tend kingdom or flock. The toughness humanity has rewarded belongs to conquerors of others. The toughness we need is conquering self. I don’t owe billionaires validation, or politicians allegiance. They can tough out having their figurative identity suffocated. To the flames…