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I'm reminded of an SNL gameshow sketch. Boomers vs Millenials with Generation X being the gameshow host. When the Boomers and Millenials were arguing, Gen X sat

I'm reminded of an SNL gameshow sketch. Boomers vs Millenials with Generation X being the gameshow host. When the Boomers and Millenials were arguing, Gen X sat back going, "Meh. Not my problem." With Millenials having kids, being married, etc now, I don't think Boomers can continue being the boogeyman holding us down. It might be time to actually start fixing things.

spywaregorilla 5y ago
Boomers have the bulk of wealth and political power. We (millenials) still have a a couple decades I think before things are our fault
- setpatchaddress 5y ago
  You’ve gotta do something about the boomers sooner than that if you want to inherit a living planet. The thing that makes Gen X as a group ineffective is that it’s a much smaller cohort than boomers or millenials. Boomers didn’t have enough babies to replace themselves, narcissistic fucks. OTOH, maybe generations are just astrology for journalists.
- nineplay 5y ago
  Millennials have the voting majority though. How long before they start to get the blame for the election results?
  - evv 5y ago
    My friend, a plurality is not a majority. And in a two party system, even a majority won't help. Biden got elected thanks to young voters, but look how little climate action the new administration has taken. Sad that you're looking to assign blame rather than problem-solve for future generations.
    - nineplay 5y ago
      I'm not assigning blame though I can see how it would look that way. Seeing how these discussions go today, however, and looking forward - I fully expect the millennials to be an easy target before long. Gen X isn't big enough to shoulder the blame after boomers die out. You're right of course, I should have said plurality. I'm currently reading a biography of Hitler so you'd think I'd be particularly sensitive to the difference.
    - cogman10 5y ago
      More education of how the US government works is what's in order here. People look at everything trump did and think "why can't Biden do the same, but for good?" and the problem is, the government is built to be torn down, not built up. Biden has no power to take climate action. The EPA doesn't have the ability to just subsidize solar panels or enact taxes on CO2 emissions. They've actually tried to do that for CO2 and that was struck down by the supreme court. [1] That leaves congressional action to force climate action and, unfortunately we have a 50/50 split in the senate with 2 democrat senators that are weak on climate issues. (50 republican senators that will not support any climate action). Once you realize this, you understand the solution is voting for democrats to the senate in 2022/2024 so those 2 holdouts don't matter as much. Move the balance of the senate by 2 more democrat senators and you might see some climate action. Stop being disappointed in biden for not doing what he can't do. Start being mad at the 2 democrat senators and the 50 republican senators who stand in the way. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_Air_Regulatory_Group_v._Environmental_Protection_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_Air_Regulatory_Group_v...
      - evv 5y ago
        Oh, I'm extremely mad at Manchin and Sinema. But I believe you are underestimating the power of the presidential podium. I will readily admit that the Democratic party deserves more blame than Biden himself. If Biden cared, he could shame these "Democrat" senators and prevent them from getting re-elected. If he uses his platform to inhibit their campaign fundraising, they will surely change positions out of fear of loosing their seat. And something to keep in mind before we make campaign contributions for 2022, remember that some votes are way more valuable than others. Each vote for a Senator in Arizona counts more than 5x than in California.
        rsj_hn 5y ago
        > If Biden cared, he could shame these "Democrat" senators and prevent them from getting re-elected It's hard to do that when you are unpopular nationwide[1] and downright loathed in Arizona[2]. Independents approval/disapproval is 30-60. Sinema is much more popular than Biden, but not so popular among her base. A democrat can't win in Arizona just on the basis of the Democratic vote. They have to win the independent vote and hope for low turnout in the GOP. So Biden is already a drag on Sinema's re-election. If he publicly attacked her, her popularity would go up. Why do you think she is opposing these policies? Because it increases her political capital and support at home. The more the media focuses on her as the one blocking these unpopular policies, the more Arizona voters rally to her side. [1] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ [2] https://nypost.com/2021/09/08/bidens-approval-rating-down-in-several-swing-states-poll/ https://nypost.com/2021/09/08/bidens-approval-rating-down-in...
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    They're not the majority. But I do wonder, are they even the plurality if you normalize to electoral college votes? I suspect yes, but possibly not.
    - nineplay 5y ago
      Between them, gen Z, and the mostly left-leaning Gen Xers, they could throw the Republican party out if they all showed up to vote. "If". This isn't a new problem, the young people never show up to vote. They are given a million messages that they can't make a difference, that they shouldn't bother. They should wonder who is sending those messages.
      - spywaregorilla 5y ago
        I live in MA. MA is solidly blue. My vote in the presidential election is meaningless. It cannot possibly make a difference. What do you say to me?
        nineplay 5y ago
        A lot of people's votes in the presidential election are meaningless. However those whose votes are meaningful don't know it. Let's say that if do you vote, you are 99.999% sure your vote is meaningless. If you don't vote, you'll be 100% sure. That .001% is a larger difference than it might seem. What's stopping you?
        spywaregorilla 5y ago
        > However those whose votes are meaningful don't know it. Sure they do. They live in Minnesota, Wisconson, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Nebraka's weird second district, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, Maine's weird second district, Georgia, Ohio, Iowa, Texas, Montana, South Carolina, Alaska, or Missouri; give or take a few. > Let's say that if do you vote, you are 99.999% sure your vote is meaningless. If you don't vote, you'll be 100% sure. That .001% is a larger difference than it might seem. > What's stopping you? Do you use the same logic for the lottery? Because I'd reckon you have better odds of winning the powerball than the odds of massachusetts turning red. Your 0.001% chance is made up and too large.
- musingsole 5y ago
  Thinking you just inherit power while waiting patiently for your turn is why GenX is going to be ignored by millennials and zoomers.
cogman10 5y ago
The average politician in the house/senate/congress is a boomer. I agree that the solution is for millennials to get more politically active. But the cards are sort of stacked against us. We have less money over all than prior generations which means any representative we want is likely going to be outspent by older representatives (for not being whiny or whatever). On top of that, the political landscape has changed somewhat significantly. What changed is we have computers to draw congressional maps that remove political competition. There are few "swing" districts in the US and that has a lot to do with computer aided gerrymandering. That sort of system makes it easier for an old fart to stay in power for far too long, because they've picked constituency that won't remove them from office for bad behavior. Of course, the only solution is to be less apathetic than the boomers and gen xers. To vote in very large numbers that are hard to ignore. That, however, is a hard thing to pull off. It's hard to convince people that their vote matters and will make a difference or that participation matters.
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- hacksnewer 5y ago
  The article is making the point that we don[t actually have it superplushard as a generation. I work in tech, I have debt, I live frugally, and I've seen how easily it would be to wipe out my entire family's savings with a medical emergency - my dad worked himself to the edge of death. He's a boomer. We millenials grew up believing that things would always be the idealistic world it was of our childhoods, but that was a really really unique spot in history. We still are some of the most privileged people in history.

spywaregorilla 5y ago

Boomers have the bulk of wealth and political power. We (millenials) still have a a couple decades I think before things are our fault

setpatchaddress 5y ago
You’ve gotta do something about the boomers sooner than that if you want to inherit a living planet. The thing that makes Gen X as a group ineffective is that it’s a much smaller cohort than boomers or millenials. Boomers didn’t have enough babies to replace themselves, narcissistic fucks. OTOH, maybe generations are just astrology for journalists.
nineplay 5y ago
Millennials have the voting majority though. How long before they start to get the blame for the election results?
- evv 5y ago
  My friend, a plurality is not a majority. And in a two party system, even a majority won't help. Biden got elected thanks to young voters, but look how little climate action the new administration has taken. Sad that you're looking to assign blame rather than problem-solve for future generations.
  - nineplay 5y ago
    I'm not assigning blame though I can see how it would look that way. Seeing how these discussions go today, however, and looking forward - I fully expect the millennials to be an easy target before long. Gen X isn't big enough to shoulder the blame after boomers die out. You're right of course, I should have said plurality. I'm currently reading a biography of Hitler so you'd think I'd be particularly sensitive to the difference.
  - cogman10 5y ago
    More education of how the US government works is what's in order here. People look at everything trump did and think "why can't Biden do the same, but for good?" and the problem is, the government is built to be torn down, not built up. Biden has no power to take climate action. The EPA doesn't have the ability to just subsidize solar panels or enact taxes on CO2 emissions. They've actually tried to do that for CO2 and that was struck down by the supreme court. [1] That leaves congressional action to force climate action and, unfortunately we have a 50/50 split in the senate with 2 democrat senators that are weak on climate issues. (50 republican senators that will not support any climate action). Once you realize this, you understand the solution is voting for democrats to the senate in 2022/2024 so those 2 holdouts don't matter as much. Move the balance of the senate by 2 more democrat senators and you might see some climate action. Stop being disappointed in biden for not doing what he can't do. Start being mad at the 2 democrat senators and the 50 republican senators who stand in the way. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_Air_Regulatory_Group_v._Environmental_Protection_Agency https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utility_Air_Regulatory_Group_v...
    - evv 5y ago
      Oh, I'm extremely mad at Manchin and Sinema. But I believe you are underestimating the power of the presidential podium. I will readily admit that the Democratic party deserves more blame than Biden himself. If Biden cared, he could shame these "Democrat" senators and prevent them from getting re-elected. If he uses his platform to inhibit their campaign fundraising, they will surely change positions out of fear of loosing their seat. And something to keep in mind before we make campaign contributions for 2022, remember that some votes are way more valuable than others. Each vote for a Senator in Arizona counts more than 5x than in California.
      - rsj_hn 5y ago
        > If Biden cared, he could shame these "Democrat" senators and prevent them from getting re-elected It's hard to do that when you are unpopular nationwide[1] and downright loathed in Arizona[2]. Independents approval/disapproval is 30-60. Sinema is much more popular than Biden, but not so popular among her base. A democrat can't win in Arizona just on the basis of the Democratic vote. They have to win the independent vote and hope for low turnout in the GOP. So Biden is already a drag on Sinema's re-election. If he publicly attacked her, her popularity would go up. Why do you think she is opposing these policies? Because it increases her political capital and support at home. The more the media focuses on her as the one blocking these unpopular policies, the more Arizona voters rally to her side. [1] https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/ [2] https://nypost.com/2021/09/08/bidens-approval-rating-down-in-several-swing-states-poll/ https://nypost.com/2021/09/08/bidens-approval-rating-down-in...
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  They're not the majority. But I do wonder, are they even the plurality if you normalize to electoral college votes? I suspect yes, but possibly not.
  - nineplay 5y ago
    Between them, gen Z, and the mostly left-leaning Gen Xers, they could throw the Republican party out if they all showed up to vote. "If". This isn't a new problem, the young people never show up to vote. They are given a million messages that they can't make a difference, that they shouldn't bother. They should wonder who is sending those messages.
    - spywaregorilla 5y ago
      I live in MA. MA is solidly blue. My vote in the presidential election is meaningless. It cannot possibly make a difference. What do you say to me?
      - nineplay 5y ago
        A lot of people's votes in the presidential election are meaningless. However those whose votes are meaningful don't know it. Let's say that if do you vote, you are 99.999% sure your vote is meaningless. If you don't vote, you'll be 100% sure. That .001% is a larger difference than it might seem. What's stopping you?
        spywaregorilla 5y ago
        > However those whose votes are meaningful don't know it. Sure they do. They live in Minnesota, Wisconson, Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Nebraka's weird second district, Arizona, Florida, North Carolina, Maine's weird second district, Georgia, Ohio, Iowa, Texas, Montana, South Carolina, Alaska, or Missouri; give or take a few. > Let's say that if do you vote, you are 99.999% sure your vote is meaningless. If you don't vote, you'll be 100% sure. That .001% is a larger difference than it might seem. > What's stopping you? Do you use the same logic for the lottery? Because I'd reckon you have better odds of winning the powerball than the odds of massachusetts turning red. Your 0.001% chance is made up and too large.
musingsole 5y ago
Thinking you just inherit power while waiting patiently for your turn is why GenX is going to be ignored by millennials and zoomers.

cogman10 5y ago

The average politician in the house/senate/congress is a boomer. I agree that the solution is for millennials to get more politically active. But the cards are sort of stacked against us. We have less money over all than prior generations which means any representative we want is likely going to be outspent by older representatives (for not being whiny or whatever). On top of that, the political landscape has changed somewhat significantly. What changed is we have computers to draw congressional maps that remove political competition. There are few "swing" districts in the US and that has a lot to do with computer aided gerrymandering. That sort of system makes it easier for an old fart to stay in power for far too long, because they've picked constituency that won't remove them from office for bad behavior. Of course, the only solution is to be less apathetic than the boomers and gen xers. To vote in very large numbers that are hard to ignore. That, however, is a hard thing to pull off. It's hard to convince people that their vote matters and will make a difference or that participation matters.

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hacksnewer 5y ago
The article is making the point that we don[t actually have it superplushard as a generation. I work in tech, I have debt, I live frugally, and I've seen how easily it would be to wipe out my entire family's savings with a medical emergency - my dad worked himself to the edge of death. He's a boomer. We millenials grew up believing that things would always be the idealistic world it was of our childhoods, but that was a really really unique spot in history. We still are some of the most privileged people in history.