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By all means, open the door to your home, hero.

newacct583 5y ago
The subject at hand was whether or not people, even ones who make messes, should have access to public bathrooms, not whether or not you should be expected to have someone over for dinner. I mean, let's be honest, I'm relatively certain I wouldn't want you as a guest at my home either. I still think you should have access to places to take a dump when you need to.
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  You want your sons and daughter in stalls beside junkies?
- Chris2048 5y ago
  The question isn't about " hav[ing] someone over for dinner"; but whether you let them use your bathroom. Sounds like you have a different attitude wrt your own, private facilities compared to the public, common ones. Maybe the difference is you don't have to clean the public toilet?
  - i_haz_rabies 5y ago
    The difference is home vs not home.
    - ksdale 5y ago
      I think you may be overestimating the difference this distinction makes to the minimum wage person who has personally clean the bathroom.
    - Chris2048 5y ago
      You can highlight any difference to justify it; but what difference does "home" make except it it precious to you vs the commons which are not?
ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
For those reading, is there a term for this particular rhetological fallacy? Same thought process as "if you're in favor of higher taxes [on anybody], you should give all your money to the government"
- savingsPossible 5y ago
  Is it a fallacy? They seem to be saying "you want private companies to pay this cost? Ok, would you pay it yourself?" Which seems entirely a fair comparison, especially for smaller/family owned restaurants
  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    Yes, it is a fallacy, because in both cases it misrepresents the premise. In the case of taxes, the actual premise is, "I think [set X/behavior Y/product Z] should be taxed", so generalizing it to "I think more taxes should be paid by somebody" misrepresents the premise. In this case, the actual premise is, "I think this is something publicly-facing businesses should do", so generalizing it to "I think _every_entity_ should do this", again, misrepresents the premise. As for the restroom access, and the inevitable consequences, is your issue with the provision of the service, or with being obliged to deal with the consequences for less than fair compensation?
- loudtieblahblah 5y ago
  I stated above I was for welfare and medical services This doesn't mean every space open to the public - be it public property or private commerce open to the public, needs to burden themselves with solving the problems of homelessness and drug addiction
  - ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
    That's good, and a fair position, and I don't begrudge you for any of it. What I replied to was the part where you then switched topics away from any of that, to an assertion that, for some unexplained reason, one of the posters here should invite strangers into their obviously-non-publicly-facing-home's bathroom. I just don't see the connection there.
i_haz_rabies 5y ago
My actions have nothing, zero, nada to do with your garbage attitude.

The subject at hand was whether or not people, even ones who make messes, should have access to public bathrooms, not whether or not you should be expected to have someone over for dinner. I mean, let's be honest, I'm relatively certain I wouldn't want you as a guest at my home either. I still think you should have access to places to take a dump when you need to.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago
You want your sons and daughter in stalls beside junkies?
Chris2048 5y ago
The question isn't about " hav[ing] someone over for dinner"; but whether you let them use your bathroom. Sounds like you have a different attitude wrt your own, private facilities compared to the public, common ones. Maybe the difference is you don't have to clean the public toilet?
- i_haz_rabies 5y ago
  The difference is home vs not home.
  - ksdale 5y ago
    I think you may be overestimating the difference this distinction makes to the minimum wage person who has personally clean the bathroom.
  - Chris2048 5y ago
    You can highlight any difference to justify it; but what difference does "home" make except it it precious to you vs the commons which are not?

ImPostingOnHN 5y ago

For those reading, is there a term for this particular rhetological fallacy? Same thought process as "if you're in favor of higher taxes [on anybody], you should give all your money to the government"

savingsPossible 5y ago
Is it a fallacy? They seem to be saying "you want private companies to pay this cost? Ok, would you pay it yourself?" Which seems entirely a fair comparison, especially for smaller/family owned restaurants
- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  Yes, it is a fallacy, because in both cases it misrepresents the premise. In the case of taxes, the actual premise is, "I think [set X/behavior Y/product Z] should be taxed", so generalizing it to "I think more taxes should be paid by somebody" misrepresents the premise. In this case, the actual premise is, "I think this is something publicly-facing businesses should do", so generalizing it to "I think _every_entity_ should do this", again, misrepresents the premise. As for the restroom access, and the inevitable consequences, is your issue with the provision of the service, or with being obliged to deal with the consequences for less than fair compensation?
loudtieblahblah 5y ago
I stated above I was for welfare and medical services This doesn't mean every space open to the public - be it public property or private commerce open to the public, needs to burden themselves with solving the problems of homelessness and drug addiction
- ImPostingOnHN 5y ago
  That's good, and a fair position, and I don't begrudge you for any of it. What I replied to was the part where you then switched topics away from any of that, to an assertion that, for some unexplained reason, one of the posters here should invite strangers into their obviously-non-publicly-facing-home's bathroom. I just don't see the connection there.

i_haz_rabies 5y ago

My actions have nothing, zero, nada to do with your garbage attitude.