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Facebook account will become meta account. Oculus will transition to meta account. There will be no difference.

YetAnotherNick 5y ago
Umm, what again is the criticism for crating meta account vs creating oculus account(without fb)? I think at this point whatever fb does it will be criticised?
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- lexpar 5y ago
  This is really not a high quality comment.
loeg 5y ago
No, this would be an Oculus-specific account. There are enough legitimate criticisms of Facebook that we don't have to go around inventing false ones. Edited to cite the announcement transcript[1]: > And as we’ve focused more on work, and frankly, as we’ve heard your feedback more broadly, we’re on making it so you can log into Quest with an account other than your personal Facebook account. > ... I know this is a big deal for a lot of people. Not everyone wants their social media profile linked to all these other experiences. [1]: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/meta-facebook-connect-2021-metaverse-event-transcript https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/meta-facebook-connect-2...
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- iforgetti 5y ago
  Does Meta provide a guarantee that data won’t be unified between Facebook and Oculus accounts ever? If not, what is the value of this distinction beyond PR?
- micromacrofoot 5y ago
  Oculus no longer exists. It's Meta, which is The Facebook company.
  - CharlesW 5y ago
    And just to add a bit more color, Oculus-the-subsidiary became Oculus-the-brand in Sep 2018.
- croes 5y ago
  That's FB's claim at the moment and after so many tricks and lies by FB I'm pessimistic. Their contract excuse to circumvent the GDPR does not make them credible.
- AlexandrB 5y ago
  > No, this would be an Oculus-specific account. This is not stated anywhere. I don't see why Facebook couldn't create a Meta SSO that you can use for Facebook and/or Oculus and call it "job done". For them it's a win/win. Most people would choose to "migrate" their Facebook login to Meta. Those annoyed by this could just create a Meta account. Notably there's no mention of whether you'll need to use your real name for logging into Oculus as you do with Facebook. My bet is: probably.
- Closi 5y ago
  > No, this would be an Oculus-specific account. Hmm, the statements you posted don’t quite say that. I guess it’s still possible that users could be required to register a “meta” account which is separate to your personal Facebook account, although you can sign into your personal Facebook account with your meta account via single sign on. I think this would technically meet their wording while also not fulfilling the spirit of what everyone wants. For instance, you can have a Google account that isn’t linked to your personal Gmail account, because not everyone wants their search history linked to their email - just change Google to Meta, Gmail to Facebook and search history to social media.
Shish2k 5y ago
I’d assume this is the case, but is there actually any evidence either way, or are we all just speculating?
- loeg 5y ago
  Transcript[1]: > And as we’ve focused more on work, and frankly, as we’ve heard your feedback more broadly, we’re on making it so you can log into Quest with an account other than your personal Facebook account. > ... I know this is a big deal for a lot of people. Not everyone wants their social media profile linked to all these other experiences. To me this strongly suggests that it is a separate account, and is not required to be linked to a Facebook account. [1]: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/meta-facebook-connect-2021-metaverse-event-transcript https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/meta-facebook-connect-2...
  - Uberphallus 5y ago
    Without giving much detail, where I work many accounts from different businesses aren't linked... in customer facing systems. But internally everything is linked, and well linked (for good reasons). FB will profile you even more even though you can use a different email.
  - piva00 5y ago
    I'd love if they clarified if not being directly linked to a Facebook account would mean it's not being harvested and shadow profiling the user to end up linking to whatever is their definition of a "person" in their ad systems. This corporate-speak makes me very cynical and I hate it but given FB's history I would like a completely clear statement that data harvested from Oculus is not immediately linked to an identity of myself in some system of the FB colossus.
    - krinchan 5y ago
      I think the other key feature they’re angling for is suspension or banning of a Facebook account for whatever reason will no longer cost you your entire Oculus library. It’s a very long standing problem. Many people created new Facebook accounts just for Oculus, bought maybe $80-$100 worth of games, and then got their Facebook account banned[*]. There is pretty much no recourse but to whine on the Oculus subreddit till the community rep escalated them past tier 1 support. Even then, the result would be “We’ve refunded your purchases please use your actual Facebook account.” It’s probably gotten bad with charge backs and returned headsets that they’re finally doing something about it. [*]: The common speculation is that this would trip a similar heuristic to “Egg Accounts” on Twitter and would be banned without recourse because that particular piece of Facebook’s automation didn’t have visibility into the Oculus-side purchase activity. The assumption by Facebook being the account didn’t have any content so if it was an actual human they’d just create a new account.
darrenf 5y ago
UploadVR asked Andrew Bosworth directly. https://uploadvr.com/quest-2-unlinking-facebook-accounts/ https://uploadvr.com/quest-2-unlinking-facebook-accounts/ Quote: We asked Bosworth directly if we could unlink and delete our Facebook accounts from Quest and still keep our software purchases, to which he simply replied: “Yup”.
- 2Gkashmiri 5y ago
  Plot twist. When you delete your fb account, your identity is switched to your shadow profile and any account you subsequently link to your oculus is linked to that shadow profile
- bni 5y ago
  I have an Oculus account with some games that I have never connected to Facebook despite multiple reminders to do so. Wonder what will happen to it.

Umm, what again is the criticism for crating meta account vs creating oculus account(without fb)? I think at this point whatever fb does it will be criticised?

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lexpar 5y ago
This is really not a high quality comment.

loeg 5y ago

No, this would be an Oculus-specific account. There are enough legitimate criticisms of Facebook that we don't have to go around inventing false ones. Edited to cite the announcement transcript[1]: > And as we’ve focused more on work, and frankly, as we’ve heard your feedback more broadly, we’re on making it so you can log into Quest with an account other than your personal Facebook account. > ... I know this is a big deal for a lot of people. Not everyone wants their social media profile linked to all these other experiences. [1]: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/meta-facebook-connect-2021-metaverse-event-transcript https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/meta-facebook-connect-2...

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iforgetti 5y ago
Does Meta provide a guarantee that data won’t be unified between Facebook and Oculus accounts ever? If not, what is the value of this distinction beyond PR?
micromacrofoot 5y ago
Oculus no longer exists. It's Meta, which is The Facebook company.
- CharlesW 5y ago
  And just to add a bit more color, Oculus-the-subsidiary became Oculus-the-brand in Sep 2018.
croes 5y ago
That's FB's claim at the moment and after so many tricks and lies by FB I'm pessimistic. Their contract excuse to circumvent the GDPR does not make them credible.
AlexandrB 5y ago
> No, this would be an Oculus-specific account. This is not stated anywhere. I don't see why Facebook couldn't create a Meta SSO that you can use for Facebook and/or Oculus and call it "job done". For them it's a win/win. Most people would choose to "migrate" their Facebook login to Meta. Those annoyed by this could just create a Meta account. Notably there's no mention of whether you'll need to use your real name for logging into Oculus as you do with Facebook. My bet is: probably.
Closi 5y ago
> No, this would be an Oculus-specific account. Hmm, the statements you posted don’t quite say that. I guess it’s still possible that users could be required to register a “meta” account which is separate to your personal Facebook account, although you can sign into your personal Facebook account with your meta account via single sign on. I think this would technically meet their wording while also not fulfilling the spirit of what everyone wants. For instance, you can have a Google account that isn’t linked to your personal Gmail account, because not everyone wants their search history linked to their email - just change Google to Meta, Gmail to Facebook and search history to social media.

Shish2k 5y ago

I’d assume this is the case, but is there actually any evidence either way, or are we all just speculating?

loeg 5y ago
Transcript[1]: > And as we’ve focused more on work, and frankly, as we’ve heard your feedback more broadly, we’re on making it so you can log into Quest with an account other than your personal Facebook account. > ... I know this is a big deal for a lot of people. Not everyone wants their social media profile linked to all these other experiences. To me this strongly suggests that it is a separate account, and is not required to be linked to a Facebook account. [1]: https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/meta-facebook-connect-2021-metaverse-event-transcript https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/meta-facebook-connect-2...
- Uberphallus 5y ago
  Without giving much detail, where I work many accounts from different businesses aren't linked... in customer facing systems. But internally everything is linked, and well linked (for good reasons). FB will profile you even more even though you can use a different email.
- piva00 5y ago
  I'd love if they clarified if not being directly linked to a Facebook account would mean it's not being harvested and shadow profiling the user to end up linking to whatever is their definition of a "person" in their ad systems. This corporate-speak makes me very cynical and I hate it but given FB's history I would like a completely clear statement that data harvested from Oculus is not immediately linked to an identity of myself in some system of the FB colossus.
  - krinchan 5y ago
    I think the other key feature they’re angling for is suspension or banning of a Facebook account for whatever reason will no longer cost you your entire Oculus library. It’s a very long standing problem. Many people created new Facebook accounts just for Oculus, bought maybe $80-$100 worth of games, and then got their Facebook account banned[*]. There is pretty much no recourse but to whine on the Oculus subreddit till the community rep escalated them past tier 1 support. Even then, the result would be “We’ve refunded your purchases please use your actual Facebook account.” It’s probably gotten bad with charge backs and returned headsets that they’re finally doing something about it. [*]: The common speculation is that this would trip a similar heuristic to “Egg Accounts” on Twitter and would be banned without recourse because that particular piece of Facebook’s automation didn’t have visibility into the Oculus-side purchase activity. The assumption by Facebook being the account didn’t have any content so if it was an actual human they’d just create a new account.

darrenf 5y ago

UploadVR asked Andrew Bosworth directly. https://uploadvr.com/quest-2-unlinking-facebook-accounts/ https://uploadvr.com/quest-2-unlinking-facebook-accounts/ Quote: We asked Bosworth directly if we could unlink and delete our Facebook accounts from Quest and still keep our software purchases, to which he simply replied: “Yup”.

2Gkashmiri 5y ago
Plot twist. When you delete your fb account, your identity is switched to your shadow profile and any account you subsequently link to your oculus is linked to that shadow profile
bni 5y ago
I have an Oculus account with some games that I have never connected to Facebook despite multiple reminders to do so. Wonder what will happen to it.