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Funny enough, I worked mainly as a designer 20+ years. A lot of shared problems for truck drivers are present in the designers profession. No proper education,

by nbzso 5y ago

Funny enough, I worked mainly as a designer 20+ years. A lot of shared problems for truck drivers are present in the designers profession. No proper education, not adequate payment ("Dime a dozen" as someone stated here on HN), no respect. I have found a way to circumvent all of this by creating my web company in early 2000s, but today find a little to none motivation to work as a designer. In one point in time I offered design services as a package bundled with web-development ( people still treat design as a some decoration with personal preference). I can bring your company differentiation that will convert in a proven and very quantifiable ways. But I won't. Living in the design UX journey, fixing things that everybody "wants" but nobody want to pay for, dealing with multiple "stakeholders" with no visual culture and common sense at all, creating thousand versions just to satisfy some subjective preferences. Nope. Working as a front-end engineer is way easier and monetary rewarding. You have more value, more respect, less time spend in "subjective" perception land. Things are binary. They work or don't work. I hope, in the near future Figma, after collecting all the design "collaboration" practices to create Figma AI Designer SaaS and end this madness once for all.

cobertos 5y ago
> Things are binary. They work or they don't Until a calendar view you add needs hotkey support and different calendar types and localization and ... "Oh, wait, that wasn't what was sold? But why would anyone think it would work any other way?? That's how a calendar is supposed to work!" Still finding the same problems in freelance frontend dev and it makes me never want to do it again
- nbzso 5y ago
  Sorry, I have spend enough time in multiple roles, Design, PM, Management, etc. I have done very scientific and statistically correct experiments to measure time spend in proper way of designing and proper way of front-end development. I trust my numbers. When you do front-end development your problems are strictly technical, frustration point is little to none compared with designing something. You have multiple tools to debug and measure and your focus is clear. Design has no quick debugging tools, you work with your knowledge and experience which you try to communicate most objectively with little to no success, because the engineers are always right and you are always categorized as nobody automatically. This perception was present even in my case, as a designer who codes and pays engineers a competitive salary. Just yesterday I saw here a job search with description of: Engineers who are Designers.:) I fit perfectly the description in reverse: Designer who is Engineer. I can bring my ideas to life in full stack dev way. But never will sell my skills so stupidly. P.S. Please, down-vote more. This is HN, designers here have little to no voice present. They fear a retribution and stay silent.
  - Dudeman112 5y ago
    >because the engineers are always right and you are always categorized as nobody automatically Seems like it's a (possibly present a lot) culture issue. I love when there's a designer around. I don't give a shit about designing front-ends, so not having to double up at doing the how AND deciding the what is great. But then I'm not particularly fond of front-end work anyway...

by nbzso 5y ago

cobertos 5y ago

> Things are binary. They work or they don't Until a calendar view you add needs hotkey support and different calendar types and localization and ... "Oh, wait, that wasn't what was sold? But why would anyone think it would work any other way?? That's how a calendar is supposed to work!" Still finding the same problems in freelance frontend dev and it makes me never want to do it again

nbzso 5y ago
Sorry, I have spend enough time in multiple roles, Design, PM, Management, etc. I have done very scientific and statistically correct experiments to measure time spend in proper way of designing and proper way of front-end development. I trust my numbers. When you do front-end development your problems are strictly technical, frustration point is little to none compared with designing something. You have multiple tools to debug and measure and your focus is clear. Design has no quick debugging tools, you work with your knowledge and experience which you try to communicate most objectively with little to no success, because the engineers are always right and you are always categorized as nobody automatically. This perception was present even in my case, as a designer who codes and pays engineers a competitive salary. Just yesterday I saw here a job search with description of: Engineers who are Designers.:) I fit perfectly the description in reverse: Designer who is Engineer. I can bring my ideas to life in full stack dev way. But never will sell my skills so stupidly. P.S. Please, down-vote more. This is HN, designers here have little to no voice present. They fear a retribution and stay silent.
- Dudeman112 5y ago
  >because the engineers are always right and you are always categorized as nobody automatically Seems like it's a (possibly present a lot) culture issue. I love when there's a designer around. I don't give a shit about designing front-ends, so not having to double up at doing the how AND deciding the what is great. But then I'm not particularly fond of front-end work anyway...