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11. Hostile environment. Well done Boris /s

by sideshowb 5y ago

Neil44 5y ago
He’s discussing the US truck driver situation, seems a little unfair to put that on the prime minister of the UK.
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- mschuster91 5y ago
  The mentioned issues apply to truck drivers everywhere in the world. The UK just added that 11th bullet point and is now suffering the costs of Brexit.
  - Neil44 5y ago
    Ah you’re cruising the internet elbowing brexit into every discussion, I see. Carry on.
    - sideshowb 5y ago
      I don't know where you live, but for context, the departure of continental European truck drivers from the UK has been in the headlines a lot here of late; for those who live here the point isn't exactly elbowed in. Though I do appreciate our domestic issues are of little interest internationally.
      - celeduc 5y ago
        Chiming in from the Continent <popcorn/>
      - makomk 5y ago
        The British media has indeed very successfully spun this to our domestic audience as a problem unique to the UK that's caused primarily by Brexit. I think that says more about the British media than about reality though; the complaints of local truck drivers seem very similar, and the industry here was complaining about driver shortages well before Brexit.
        Symbiote 5y ago
        Driver shortages in the rest of Europe / the world aren't causing problems with fuel availability or supermarket stock. Given similar complains and conditions a few years ago, and that Germany, France etc have since made improvements, but the UK has only added border controls and added barriers to working, it's no surprise that EU drivers left the UK.
        celeduc 5y ago
        I can confirm that it is also a problem here in Spain https://www.elmundotoday.com/2021/10/la-falta-de-camioneros-impide-a-los-espanoles-saber-en-que-restaurantes-se-come-bien/ https://www.elmundotoday.com/2021/10/la-falta-de-camioneros-... and there was a huge backlog in licensing even before the pandemic. (Driver licensing here is a shitshow in any case.) But then Spain didn't tell drivers from all over Europe that they are undesirable and unwanted, create a "hostile environment" for them and their families, and then dissolve our trading relationship with our most important partners. Drivers also don't enjoy gambling with uncertain paperwork, peeing in bottles and crapping next to hedgerows as they wait for endless border queues, so why would they choose those routes when instead they can drive somewhere else where they're not hated, resented and officially unwelcome?
    - Symbiote 5y ago
      Your previous-discussion comment ("If you tag 'because of brexit' onto literally any headline it's instant click fodder at the moment") looks much more like cruising discussions elbowing in Brexit. Neither person you replied to in this discussion mentioned Brexit in recent comments on other discussions. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28917605 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28917605
      - Chris2048 5y ago
        > looks much more like cruising discussions elbowing in Brexit Except it was a response to a post that already mentioned Brexit; and "elbowing in brexit" to imply brexit has been elbowed in (i.e. is erroneously mentioned) is a bit different.

11. Hostile environment. Well done Boris /s

Neil44 5y ago

He’s discussing the US truck driver situation, seems a little unfair to put that on the prime minister of the UK.

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mschuster91 5y ago
The mentioned issues apply to truck drivers everywhere in the world. The UK just added that 11th bullet point and is now suffering the costs of Brexit.
- Neil44 5y ago
  Ah you’re cruising the internet elbowing brexit into every discussion, I see. Carry on.
  - sideshowb 5y ago
    I don't know where you live, but for context, the departure of continental European truck drivers from the UK has been in the headlines a lot here of late; for those who live here the point isn't exactly elbowed in. Though I do appreciate our domestic issues are of little interest internationally.
    - celeduc 5y ago
      Chiming in from the Continent <popcorn/>
    - makomk 5y ago
      The British media has indeed very successfully spun this to our domestic audience as a problem unique to the UK that's caused primarily by Brexit. I think that says more about the British media than about reality though; the complaints of local truck drivers seem very similar, and the industry here was complaining about driver shortages well before Brexit.
      - Symbiote 5y ago
        Driver shortages in the rest of Europe / the world aren't causing problems with fuel availability or supermarket stock. Given similar complains and conditions a few years ago, and that Germany, France etc have since made improvements, but the UK has only added border controls and added barriers to working, it's no surprise that EU drivers left the UK.
        celeduc 5y ago
        I can confirm that it is also a problem here in Spain https://www.elmundotoday.com/2021/10/la-falta-de-camioneros-impide-a-los-espanoles-saber-en-que-restaurantes-se-come-bien/ https://www.elmundotoday.com/2021/10/la-falta-de-camioneros-... and there was a huge backlog in licensing even before the pandemic. (Driver licensing here is a shitshow in any case.) But then Spain didn't tell drivers from all over Europe that they are undesirable and unwanted, create a "hostile environment" for them and their families, and then dissolve our trading relationship with our most important partners. Drivers also don't enjoy gambling with uncertain paperwork, peeing in bottles and crapping next to hedgerows as they wait for endless border queues, so why would they choose those routes when instead they can drive somewhere else where they're not hated, resented and officially unwelcome?
  - Symbiote 5y ago
    Your previous-discussion comment ("If you tag 'because of brexit' onto literally any headline it's instant click fodder at the moment") looks much more like cruising discussions elbowing in Brexit. Neither person you replied to in this discussion mentioned Brexit in recent comments on other discussions. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28917605 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28917605
    - Chris2048 5y ago
      > looks much more like cruising discussions elbowing in Brexit Except it was a response to a post that already mentioned Brexit; and "elbowing in brexit" to imply brexit has been elbowed in (i.e. is erroneously mentioned) is a bit different.