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> if they showed the actual experience almost nobody would buy it. You can't do this without putting them in VR in the first place.

GekkePrutser 5y ago
This is so true. I've been pushing VR meetings as an alternative to travel for workshops in these Corona times. But people don't even grok it unless you strap a headset on them and give time to get familiar with it. Once you do that you always hear "wow this is powerful, I forgot I was here" For us VR enthusiasts this is a given. For others it's a gimmick until they experience it. Like Morpheus said "No-one can tell you what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself". Only through this experience as a VR advocate I have I seen the truth in that. This is why I'm happy Facebook is so all-in on VR. They're doing this really hard work for us.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  > Once you do that you always hear "wow this is powerful, I forgot I was here" I don't find VR immersive at all. When I hear people say this, I tend to think they're a moron. The software, game design principles, and hardware has a long long way to go.
  - 542354234235 5y ago
    >When I hear people say this, I tend to think they're a moron. In other words, you are small minded and assume that your personal experience is universal, so anyone that experiences things differently must just have moronic levels of intelligence.
    - spywaregorilla 5y ago
      and here you are assuming something negative about me, wow. Human experience is really special. In my opinion, mainstream standards on pretty much any topic are exceptionally low. Mainstream news, tv, video games, movies, books, food, politics, farts, and all, are pretty poor. Not an especially novel opinion. So yeah, when someone says "i forgot where i was" after playing SUPERHOT or beat saber on an oculus for fifteen minutes... I'm gonna roll my eyes on the same level as finding bell peppers spicy or cop shows surprising.
      - LocalH 5y ago
        I mean, they're assuming something negative about you based on your own words, that dismissed other people as "morons" for enjoying a VR experience. Why are you then surprised when people make a similar snap judgement about you?
        spywaregorilla 5y ago
        I'm not surprised, just amused at the irony of asserting someone's bad for making a negative assertion about someone else.
        542354234235 5y ago
        If you think that is ironic, you should probably look up the paradox of tolerance. Someone saying they think people that like things different than themselves are morons, and someone saying that that viewpoint is small minded are not equal.
  - GekkePrutser 5y ago
    It's not about the quality. But about the interaction with others you can get lost in. Some of the users said this after engaging in a complex workshop we had set up as a test. Of course they didn't literally forget that they were in VR. But that adjustment to the real environment was there. You can also tell when people start apologising for running into other people or entering their 'personal space'. Eg standing too close with their avatar. In VR that doesn't matter technically but it feels wrong. That's when you know it 'clicked' and they're really there with a person half a world away. I get that myself too, it's great. But I love seeing it in people that try VR for the first time (and by this I mean real 6DOF interactive VR, not Google cardboard derivatives) But yeah there is a large component of suspension of disbelief. I'm sure that will always be there no matter how good the tech gets.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

This is so true. I've been pushing VR meetings as an alternative to travel for workshops in these Corona times. But people don't even grok it unless you strap a headset on them and give time to get familiar with it. Once you do that you always hear "wow this is powerful, I forgot I was here" For us VR enthusiasts this is a given. For others it's a gimmick until they experience it. Like Morpheus said "No-one can tell you what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself". Only through this experience as a VR advocate I have I seen the truth in that. This is why I'm happy Facebook is so all-in on VR. They're doing this really hard work for us.

spywaregorilla 5y ago
> Once you do that you always hear "wow this is powerful, I forgot I was here" I don't find VR immersive at all. When I hear people say this, I tend to think they're a moron. The software, game design principles, and hardware has a long long way to go.
- 542354234235 5y ago
  >When I hear people say this, I tend to think they're a moron. In other words, you are small minded and assume that your personal experience is universal, so anyone that experiences things differently must just have moronic levels of intelligence.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    and here you are assuming something negative about me, wow. Human experience is really special. In my opinion, mainstream standards on pretty much any topic are exceptionally low. Mainstream news, tv, video games, movies, books, food, politics, farts, and all, are pretty poor. Not an especially novel opinion. So yeah, when someone says "i forgot where i was" after playing SUPERHOT or beat saber on an oculus for fifteen minutes... I'm gonna roll my eyes on the same level as finding bell peppers spicy or cop shows surprising.
    - LocalH 5y ago
      I mean, they're assuming something negative about you based on your own words, that dismissed other people as "morons" for enjoying a VR experience. Why are you then surprised when people make a similar snap judgement about you?
      - spywaregorilla 5y ago
        I'm not surprised, just amused at the irony of asserting someone's bad for making a negative assertion about someone else.
        542354234235 5y ago
        If you think that is ironic, you should probably look up the paradox of tolerance. Someone saying they think people that like things different than themselves are morons, and someone saying that that viewpoint is small minded are not equal.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  It's not about the quality. But about the interaction with others you can get lost in. Some of the users said this after engaging in a complex workshop we had set up as a test. Of course they didn't literally forget that they were in VR. But that adjustment to the real environment was there. You can also tell when people start apologising for running into other people or entering their 'personal space'. Eg standing too close with their avatar. In VR that doesn't matter technically but it feels wrong. That's when you know it 'clicked' and they're really there with a person half a world away. I get that myself too, it's great. But I love seeing it in people that try VR for the first time (and by this I mean real 6DOF interactive VR, not Google cardboard derivatives) But yeah there is a large component of suspension of disbelief. I'm sure that will always be there no matter how good the tech gets.