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> This is not so different as one might believe. Those exact arguments about off-shoring and remote work already existed back then. This is far different than

> This is not so different as one might believe. Those exact arguments about off-shoring and remote work already existed back then. This is far different than then. In 2000, remote work was almost an impossibility... between bandwidth, protocols and everything else. These days it's as easy as enabling your built-in HD cam and mic and getting to business.

alex_sf 5y ago
Linux was 9 years old in 2000.
siva7 5y ago
Successful off-shoring isn’t about enabling a bandwith-hungry HD cam streaming your team in 4K. Neither back then nor nowadays. The right communication tools for the job existed back then but that wasn’t the reason why it didn’t work out in 2000 or in 2009. Management isn’t dumb and would happily off-shore to the cheapest remote workers all those last years where nothing of that was a major issue but the problems aren’t primarily about tooling, protocol or bandwith.
- EMM_386 5y ago
  > Management isn’t dumb and would happily off-shore to the cheapest remote workers I've had my share of severe pushbacks with "management" over the years. They've often been burned by shopping projects out to the lowest bidder and suddenly realize you need competent engineers to make it happen. The problem is you can find competent engineers now across the planet for far less than what you would pay a US-based engineer, forget about whatever is going on in SF/SV. A lot of people would like to stick their fingers in their ears and say "nah nah nah" rather than realize what is going on, but I deal with it daily.
  - VirusNewbie 5y ago
    So in 20012, when Skype was huge, why didn't this take over? It's not like it didn't happen, people have been poaching rockstars across the globe forever. But are you really saying that it's only in 2020 that people put effort into outsourcing to cheaper foreign talent? Or that the technology of remote work is now what makes it possible? I dispute that as well, good remote collaboration has been happening in open source for forever. People who can make it work make it work. It's not the issue and never has been.

alex_sf 5y ago

Linux was 9 years old in 2000.

siva7 5y ago

Successful off-shoring isn’t about enabling a bandwith-hungry HD cam streaming your team in 4K. Neither back then nor nowadays. The right communication tools for the job existed back then but that wasn’t the reason why it didn’t work out in 2000 or in 2009. Management isn’t dumb and would happily off-shore to the cheapest remote workers all those last years where nothing of that was a major issue but the problems aren’t primarily about tooling, protocol or bandwith.

EMM_386 5y ago
> Management isn’t dumb and would happily off-shore to the cheapest remote workers I've had my share of severe pushbacks with "management" over the years. They've often been burned by shopping projects out to the lowest bidder and suddenly realize you need competent engineers to make it happen. The problem is you can find competent engineers now across the planet for far less than what you would pay a US-based engineer, forget about whatever is going on in SF/SV. A lot of people would like to stick their fingers in their ears and say "nah nah nah" rather than realize what is going on, but I deal with it daily.
- VirusNewbie 5y ago
  So in 20012, when Skype was huge, why didn't this take over? It's not like it didn't happen, people have been poaching rockstars across the globe forever. But are you really saying that it's only in 2020 that people put effort into outsourcing to cheaper foreign talent? Or that the technology of remote work is now what makes it possible? I dispute that as well, good remote collaboration has been happening in open source for forever. People who can make it work make it work. It's not the issue and never has been.