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Is there any company that's even close to Oculus in the VR space? I know HTC's Vive and Valve's Index could compete with the Rift, but they didn't have the Oc

Is there any company that's even close to Oculus in the VR space? I know HTC's Vive and Valve's Index could compete with the Rift, but they didn't have the Oculus app ecosystem. Samsung's standalone died, same with Google. Is there anything equivalent to the Quest 2?

RealityVoid 5y ago
The Index is great, but it will lose in the end because of 3 reasons: 1) much cheaper price 2) portability 3) seamless onboarding experience I love my index but there is no way that it can currently beat oculus because of these things. Also, Oculus is well aware of these features. At least Carmack is. The highlight of connect for me was the Carmack keynote. I suggest all techies watch it: https://youtu.be/BnSUk0je6oo https://youtu.be/BnSUk0je6oo
- warning26 5y ago
  Given that Valve's next big product is a cheaper portable non-VR gaming system with a (planned) seamless onboarding experience, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a test run for a future portable VR set to compete with the Quest. Valve, with their already existing VR ecosystem, is probably the best positioned to compete in the space.
  - pronlover723 5y ago
    Meta has 30x? 100x?, 300x? the resources of Valve. I'm not routing for Meta but it seems unlikely Valve can out do Meta.
    - SkyMarshal 5y ago
      Valve has the best immersive PC gaming platform in the world (eg not things like Farmville, but games pushing the limits of immersive 3D tech). The only real competitors to Steam are consoles. Games have traditionally been the main driver of home PC hardware, so I wouldn't count Valve out easily.
      - onion2k 5y ago
        Valve has the best immersive PC gaming platform in the world... Facebook cannot do VR based on games. It wouldn't bring in enough money to sustain it. They're going after a much bigger market. The entire global PC gaming market was worth $42b in 2019. It's up a bit since then, but not by much[1]. That's equivalent to about 5 months of Facebook's revenue[2]. In other words, in terms of revenue, Facebook is double the size of the entire PC gaming market. It doesn't really matter how good or how big Valve are. They're a big fish in a small pond compared to Facebook. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/292516/pc-online-game-market-value-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/292516/pc-online-game-ma... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/technology/facebook-profits-earnings-q3-2021.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/technology/facebook-profi...
    - findthewords 5y ago
      When it comes to engineering talent, I wouldn't be so sure. Steam is also among the biggest marketing platforms, especially for early adopter gamers.
      - baby 5y ago
        You mean the platform where you could change the password of any user account by going through account recovery and leaving the password blank? (That was exploitable for many years)
  - Auracle 5y ago
    The main thing Valve has going for it is good will among the gaming population, which Facebo- Meta certainly doesn’t (to a stupid extent, IMO). However, Zuckerberg said during the keynote that they were going to continue to sell hardware at or below cost in order to grow the space. I’m sure that’s somewhat of a business decision, but I honestly think Zuckerberg has a genuine interest in the technology and just wants to move it forward. While Valve could technically also sell at or below cost and hope to make it up with their Steam cut, they haven’t been willing to do that with any other hardware release.
    - warning26 5y ago
      > However, Zuckerberg said during the keynote that they were going to continue to sell hardware at or below cost in order to grow the space. It's really a shame this isn't illegal.
  - Tarq0n 5y ago
    As long as Facebook keeps investing in exclusives for their platform while Valve doesn't they'll keep losing market share, no matter what new headsets they come out with.
- omgitsabird 5y ago
  What is the boon if someone "wins" VR?
bobbyi 5y ago
New Playstation VR is on the way.
dvh 5y ago
Varjo review by Tested: https://youtu.be/slRKY1cIr6E https://youtu.be/slRKY1cIr6E
- metalliqaz 5y ago
  "high system requirements and a $2000 price tag"

RealityVoid 5y ago

The Index is great, but it will lose in the end because of 3 reasons: 1) much cheaper price 2) portability 3) seamless onboarding experience I love my index but there is no way that it can currently beat oculus because of these things. Also, Oculus is well aware of these features. At least Carmack is. The highlight of connect for me was the Carmack keynote. I suggest all techies watch it: https://youtu.be/BnSUk0je6oo https://youtu.be/BnSUk0je6oo

warning26 5y ago
Given that Valve's next big product is a cheaper portable non-VR gaming system with a (planned) seamless onboarding experience, I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was a test run for a future portable VR set to compete with the Quest. Valve, with their already existing VR ecosystem, is probably the best positioned to compete in the space.
- pronlover723 5y ago
  Meta has 30x? 100x?, 300x? the resources of Valve. I'm not routing for Meta but it seems unlikely Valve can out do Meta.
  - SkyMarshal 5y ago
    Valve has the best immersive PC gaming platform in the world (eg not things like Farmville, but games pushing the limits of immersive 3D tech). The only real competitors to Steam are consoles. Games have traditionally been the main driver of home PC hardware, so I wouldn't count Valve out easily.
    - onion2k 5y ago
      Valve has the best immersive PC gaming platform in the world... Facebook cannot do VR based on games. It wouldn't bring in enough money to sustain it. They're going after a much bigger market. The entire global PC gaming market was worth $42b in 2019. It's up a bit since then, but not by much[1]. That's equivalent to about 5 months of Facebook's revenue[2]. In other words, in terms of revenue, Facebook is double the size of the entire PC gaming market. It doesn't really matter how good or how big Valve are. They're a big fish in a small pond compared to Facebook. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/292516/pc-online-game-market-value-worldwide/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/292516/pc-online-game-ma... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/technology/facebook-profits-earnings-q3-2021.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/25/technology/facebook-profi...
  - findthewords 5y ago
    When it comes to engineering talent, I wouldn't be so sure. Steam is also among the biggest marketing platforms, especially for early adopter gamers.
    - baby 5y ago
      You mean the platform where you could change the password of any user account by going through account recovery and leaving the password blank? (That was exploitable for many years)
- Auracle 5y ago
  The main thing Valve has going for it is good will among the gaming population, which Facebo- Meta certainly doesn’t (to a stupid extent, IMO). However, Zuckerberg said during the keynote that they were going to continue to sell hardware at or below cost in order to grow the space. I’m sure that’s somewhat of a business decision, but I honestly think Zuckerberg has a genuine interest in the technology and just wants to move it forward. While Valve could technically also sell at or below cost and hope to make it up with their Steam cut, they haven’t been willing to do that with any other hardware release.
  - warning26 5y ago
    > However, Zuckerberg said during the keynote that they were going to continue to sell hardware at or below cost in order to grow the space. It's really a shame this isn't illegal.
- Tarq0n 5y ago
  As long as Facebook keeps investing in exclusives for their platform while Valve doesn't they'll keep losing market share, no matter what new headsets they come out with.
omgitsabird 5y ago
What is the boon if someone "wins" VR?

bobbyi 5y ago

New Playstation VR is on the way.

dvh 5y ago

Varjo review by Tested: https://youtu.be/slRKY1cIr6E https://youtu.be/slRKY1cIr6E

metalliqaz 5y ago
"high system requirements and a $2000 price tag"