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> "[0] Huge salaries to them being a high-five figure salary." CheckSalary.co.uk puts the average salary for "a programmer" in the UK at £43K, Reed.co.uk says

> "[0] Huge salaries to them being a high-five figure salary." CheckSalary.co.uk puts the average salary for "a programmer" in the UK at £43K, Reed.co.uk says £41k, Glassdoor says £35K, Payscale says £31K... maybe devs here should upskill in English? https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/programmer-salary-SRCH_KO0,10.htm https://www.glassdoor.co.uk/Salaries/programmer-salary-SRCH_...

judge2020 5y ago
programmer is very vague, and glassdoor does show the jobs bringing that down as php/web development, which is highly saturated and competitive.
- hawk_ 5y ago
  nice! shots fired.
- panda88888 5y ago
  Doesn’t Facebook use Hack, a PHP derivative, internally?
  - judge2020 5y ago
    Sure, but that’s not where their high-paying engineering jobs are at. HHVM itself is in C++.
oleg_antonyan 5y ago
Russian remote programmer here. The language is a small part, cultural difference is the most painful one. Americans never give direct negative feedback and expect this from you, for example. Many US companies hire only people from US and pay them more b/c cultural and timezone difference is another hidden cost and not every company wants to pay it - they rather pay 200k more in $. But personally for me that's fine, even miserable salary by US standards is great, and it has grown significantly in the past year thanks to covid. Some companies offer salaries close to 100k$/yr which was unreachable 5 years ago.
- dkjaudyeqooe 5y ago
  You should look at a job with a Dutch company, they're very direct for the most part.
- arp242 5y ago
  This is an issue not just with Russians, but with differences between mainland Europe and Anglo-Saxon culture in general (UK too). Funny enough, it gets worse the better at English you get: if you're obviously not very good at English then people tend to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you're reasonably good at English in such a way that it's not obvious you're not a native speaker at a glance then people tend to be less forgiving. And the whole passive-aggressive culture also means they won't actually tell you, so it can be quite hard to learn and improve. Of course, attitudes differ wildly from individual to individual, but the average can be quite hard to work with. It took me a few years to really adjust.
  - playing_colours 5y ago
    The Germans and people from eastern Europe are usually straightforward in their communications. There might have been a shift towards conflict-avoidance in younger generations (< 30 yo) though.
    - tchalla 5y ago
      > The Germans and people from eastern Europe are usually straightforward in their communications. May be, Germans (and most Europe) are "straightforward" from an American perspective. I find Europeans with their own shade of "subtlety" which you could only learn if you were part of the culture. Otherwise, they are "subtle" and "measured" too.
    - llampx 5y ago
      German and Dutch straightforwardness only goes one way. Try talking to them back with the same straightforward way they talk to you, and see how they react.
EricDeb 5y ago
Yes however look at FAANG salaries in UK. Still very high.

judge2020 5y ago

programmer is very vague, and glassdoor does show the jobs bringing that down as php/web development, which is highly saturated and competitive.

hawk_ 5y ago
nice! shots fired.
panda88888 5y ago
Doesn’t Facebook use Hack, a PHP derivative, internally?
- judge2020 5y ago
  Sure, but that’s not where their high-paying engineering jobs are at. HHVM itself is in C++.

oleg_antonyan 5y ago

Russian remote programmer here. The language is a small part, cultural difference is the most painful one. Americans never give direct negative feedback and expect this from you, for example. Many US companies hire only people from US and pay them more b/c cultural and timezone difference is another hidden cost and not every company wants to pay it - they rather pay 200k more in $. But personally for me that's fine, even miserable salary by US standards is great, and it has grown significantly in the past year thanks to covid. Some companies offer salaries close to 100k$/yr which was unreachable 5 years ago.

dkjaudyeqooe 5y ago
You should look at a job with a Dutch company, they're very direct for the most part.
arp242 5y ago
This is an issue not just with Russians, but with differences between mainland Europe and Anglo-Saxon culture in general (UK too). Funny enough, it gets worse the better at English you get: if you're obviously not very good at English then people tend to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you're reasonably good at English in such a way that it's not obvious you're not a native speaker at a glance then people tend to be less forgiving. And the whole passive-aggressive culture also means they won't actually tell you, so it can be quite hard to learn and improve. Of course, attitudes differ wildly from individual to individual, but the average can be quite hard to work with. It took me a few years to really adjust.
- playing_colours 5y ago
  The Germans and people from eastern Europe are usually straightforward in their communications. There might have been a shift towards conflict-avoidance in younger generations (< 30 yo) though.
  - tchalla 5y ago
    > The Germans and people from eastern Europe are usually straightforward in their communications. May be, Germans (and most Europe) are "straightforward" from an American perspective. I find Europeans with their own shade of "subtlety" which you could only learn if you were part of the culture. Otherwise, they are "subtle" and "measured" too.
  - llampx 5y ago
    German and Dutch straightforwardness only goes one way. Try talking to them back with the same straightforward way they talk to you, and see how they react.

EricDeb 5y ago

Yes however look at FAANG salaries in UK. Still very high.