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And honestly the technology isn't good enough for those masses they are now catering to. There's a reason VR commercials are so fanciful - if they showed the ac

And honestly the technology isn't good enough for those masses they are now catering to. There's a reason VR commercials are so fanciful - if they showed the actual experience almost nobody would buy it.

baby 5y ago
What, I guess you never tried VR
goatlover 5y ago
It only took someone having me try their Quest for two minutes to decide I should buy one. And it's been great for the cost and portability.
rowanG077 5y ago
This is false. Oculus has sold millions of headsets. I mean it's not at home console levels of popularity but it's definitely no longer part of the niche gaming space.
- zzzzzzzza 5y ago
  literally just bought a quest 2 and I'm pretty blown away tried vr years like 5 years ago and didn't seem fully baked then but now i don't see why you would buy a console when you could get a vr headset for cheaper and it's far more novel. imagine the nintendo wii except 8 times better.
  - crazy_horse 5y ago
    It's very hit or miss. I have a Vive from 2016. I purchased the Q2 with the intent of doing dev work with it and I expected it to be a big improvement. I mean I read reviews like yours and I saw what it was capable of. Don't get me wrong, it's a big deal that it is now standalone (the Vive very much feels lke the matrix), but the visual fidelity hadn't incresed prceptibly in that time (as far as I can tell) and the headset itself is still too heavy. The higher sales are interesting but it's at like 6 million units worldwide? The most popular consoles were over a hundred million. We're not even into a console that everyone knows about but only that weird dude has like the Xbox yet. I can see a future where these googles are 3x the resolution, even cheaper, and as light as actual glasses, and that day we'll be at mass market, probably before it. But if you made me work in VR for any length of time at all as of now, I'll quit because the quality is not there yet. I'd rather play the latest games on cheap but incredible monitors anyway. Give it six weeks. You might still be entralled. I sold mine, I don't want to build anything for that guy.
    - klodolph 5y ago
      Feels a lot like digital cameras from circa 2000. You had cameras like the Nikon D1, an expensive piece of kit which barely did what it needed to do. But it was getting better.
    - xupybd 5y ago
      Thanks I had been thinking about getting one after a positive review I read here [1]. But I'm starting to think it's not going to be good enough for a days work. [1]https://blog.immersed.team/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d385 https://blog.immersed.team/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d385
    - paul7986 5y ago
      That's how I feel and VR and it's form factor has been around for decades... strap a sweaty headset to your face and isolate yourself. Maybe it will be big for games but gluing a computer to my face for longggg periords of time no thanks. AR glasses though they could be truly be the next big thing like the iPhone ...subtly enhance the world around us and our social interactions with each other through a form factor we are accustomed to.
      - rvz 5y ago
        > AR glasses though they could be truly be the next big thing like the iPhone… Yes. This is where we are heading just like smartwatches, it is now a reality. It always matters on executing it right, just like the smartwatch market. The first to do that right with AR glasses, wins.
        paul7986 5y ago
        Indeed and the vision Zuckerberg showed for AR glasses looked way too busy. The UX needs to be subtle (not a lot going on) ... enhance and revolutionize daily life experiences like smart glasses that can zoom in like binoculars (would also help low sighted folks), glasses that turn night into day and vice versa and some other ideas ive thought might enhance real life like playing ping pong or a card game and the glasses keep/show the score with each point awarded... also when you meet someone new the glasses tells you their first name at the least. As well show you how a building or a spot in the woods where there once was a house looked decades or more ago. Also for branding call them smart glasses not AR glasses ... average person can easily understand that branding.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    > imagine the nintendo wii except 8 times better. This made me laugh
toast0 5y ago
> if they showed the actual experience almost nobody would buy it. Some of the pieces are real. Everyone has their mouth open, because it's real hard to breathe with your nose with all that stuff on your face.
jobigoud 5y ago
> if they showed the actual experience almost nobody would buy it. You can't do this without putting them in VR in the first place.
- GekkePrutser 5y ago
  This is so true. I've been pushing VR meetings as an alternative to travel for workshops in these Corona times. But people don't even grok it unless you strap a headset on them and give time to get familiar with it. Once you do that you always hear "wow this is powerful, I forgot I was here" For us VR enthusiasts this is a given. For others it's a gimmick until they experience it. Like Morpheus said "No-one can tell you what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself". Only through this experience as a VR advocate I have I seen the truth in that. This is why I'm happy Facebook is so all-in on VR. They're doing this really hard work for us.
  - spywaregorilla 5y ago
    > Once you do that you always hear "wow this is powerful, I forgot I was here" I don't find VR immersive at all. When I hear people say this, I tend to think they're a moron. The software, game design principles, and hardware has a long long way to go.
    - 542354234235 5y ago
      >When I hear people say this, I tend to think they're a moron. In other words, you are small minded and assume that your personal experience is universal, so anyone that experiences things differently must just have moronic levels of intelligence.
      - spywaregorilla 5y ago
        and here you are assuming something negative about me, wow. Human experience is really special. In my opinion, mainstream standards on pretty much any topic are exceptionally low. Mainstream news, tv, video games, movies, books, food, politics, farts, and all, are pretty poor. Not an especially novel opinion. So yeah, when someone says "i forgot where i was" after playing SUPERHOT or beat saber on an oculus for fifteen minutes... I'm gonna roll my eyes on the same level as finding bell peppers spicy or cop shows surprising.
542354234235 5y ago
>if they showed the actual experience almost nobody would buy it. Next you're going to tell me that buying a Dodge Challenger won't get me a beautiful girlfriend and that HungryMan Dinners don't look like culinary masterpieces.

baby 5y ago

What, I guess you never tried VR

goatlover 5y ago

It only took someone having me try their Quest for two minutes to decide I should buy one. And it's been great for the cost and portability.

rowanG077 5y ago

This is false. Oculus has sold millions of headsets. I mean it's not at home console levels of popularity but it's definitely no longer part of the niche gaming space.

zzzzzzzza 5y ago
literally just bought a quest 2 and I'm pretty blown away tried vr years like 5 years ago and didn't seem fully baked then but now i don't see why you would buy a console when you could get a vr headset for cheaper and it's far more novel. imagine the nintendo wii except 8 times better.
- crazy_horse 5y ago
  It's very hit or miss. I have a Vive from 2016. I purchased the Q2 with the intent of doing dev work with it and I expected it to be a big improvement. I mean I read reviews like yours and I saw what it was capable of. Don't get me wrong, it's a big deal that it is now standalone (the Vive very much feels lke the matrix), but the visual fidelity hadn't incresed prceptibly in that time (as far as I can tell) and the headset itself is still too heavy. The higher sales are interesting but it's at like 6 million units worldwide? The most popular consoles were over a hundred million. We're not even into a console that everyone knows about but only that weird dude has like the Xbox yet. I can see a future where these googles are 3x the resolution, even cheaper, and as light as actual glasses, and that day we'll be at mass market, probably before it. But if you made me work in VR for any length of time at all as of now, I'll quit because the quality is not there yet. I'd rather play the latest games on cheap but incredible monitors anyway. Give it six weeks. You might still be entralled. I sold mine, I don't want to build anything for that guy.
  - klodolph 5y ago
    Feels a lot like digital cameras from circa 2000. You had cameras like the Nikon D1, an expensive piece of kit which barely did what it needed to do. But it was getting better.
  - xupybd 5y ago
    Thanks I had been thinking about getting one after a positive review I read here [1]. But I'm starting to think it's not going to be good enough for a days work. [1]https://blog.immersed.team/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d385 https://blog.immersed.team/working-from-orbit-39bf95a6d385
  - paul7986 5y ago
    That's how I feel and VR and it's form factor has been around for decades... strap a sweaty headset to your face and isolate yourself. Maybe it will be big for games but gluing a computer to my face for longggg periords of time no thanks. AR glasses though they could be truly be the next big thing like the iPhone ...subtly enhance the world around us and our social interactions with each other through a form factor we are accustomed to.
    - rvz 5y ago
      > AR glasses though they could be truly be the next big thing like the iPhone… Yes. This is where we are heading just like smartwatches, it is now a reality. It always matters on executing it right, just like the smartwatch market. The first to do that right with AR glasses, wins.
      - paul7986 5y ago
        Indeed and the vision Zuckerberg showed for AR glasses looked way too busy. The UX needs to be subtle (not a lot going on) ... enhance and revolutionize daily life experiences like smart glasses that can zoom in like binoculars (would also help low sighted folks), glasses that turn night into day and vice versa and some other ideas ive thought might enhance real life like playing ping pong or a card game and the glasses keep/show the score with each point awarded... also when you meet someone new the glasses tells you their first name at the least. As well show you how a building or a spot in the woods where there once was a house looked decades or more ago. Also for branding call them smart glasses not AR glasses ... average person can easily understand that branding.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  > imagine the nintendo wii except 8 times better. This made me laugh

toast0 5y ago

> if they showed the actual experience almost nobody would buy it. Some of the pieces are real. Everyone has their mouth open, because it's real hard to breathe with your nose with all that stuff on your face.

jobigoud 5y ago

> if they showed the actual experience almost nobody would buy it. You can't do this without putting them in VR in the first place.

GekkePrutser 5y ago
This is so true. I've been pushing VR meetings as an alternative to travel for workshops in these Corona times. But people don't even grok it unless you strap a headset on them and give time to get familiar with it. Once you do that you always hear "wow this is powerful, I forgot I was here" For us VR enthusiasts this is a given. For others it's a gimmick until they experience it. Like Morpheus said "No-one can tell you what the matrix is, you have to see it for yourself". Only through this experience as a VR advocate I have I seen the truth in that. This is why I'm happy Facebook is so all-in on VR. They're doing this really hard work for us.
- spywaregorilla 5y ago
  > Once you do that you always hear "wow this is powerful, I forgot I was here" I don't find VR immersive at all. When I hear people say this, I tend to think they're a moron. The software, game design principles, and hardware has a long long way to go.
  - 542354234235 5y ago
    >When I hear people say this, I tend to think they're a moron. In other words, you are small minded and assume that your personal experience is universal, so anyone that experiences things differently must just have moronic levels of intelligence.
    - spywaregorilla 5y ago
      and here you are assuming something negative about me, wow. Human experience is really special. In my opinion, mainstream standards on pretty much any topic are exceptionally low. Mainstream news, tv, video games, movies, books, food, politics, farts, and all, are pretty poor. Not an especially novel opinion. So yeah, when someone says "i forgot where i was" after playing SUPERHOT or beat saber on an oculus for fifteen minutes... I'm gonna roll my eyes on the same level as finding bell peppers spicy or cop shows surprising.

542354234235 5y ago

>if they showed the actual experience almost nobody would buy it. Next you're going to tell me that buying a Dodge Challenger won't get me a beautiful girlfriend and that HungryMan Dinners don't look like culinary masterpieces.