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Covid: Double vaccinated can still spread virus at home

16 points by vimy 5y ago

a0-prw 5y ago
I've decided that death by covid is probably better than continuing to live in a world run by hysterical cowards and vicious elitists who choose to ignore the global damage that this ridiculous hysteria has caused (mostly to poor people and kids). Cheers;) Have a nice Friday
ohiovr 5y ago
Makes a nice playground though for the virus to mutate in.
- ohiovr 5y ago
  Alright then, why is it then that the people around me are getting covid when I'm unvaccinated when I was in direct physical contact with them but I am not? Why do you think sirens are blaring in my town and yours with such high vaccination rates? You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool them when they die. ICUs are being stuffed with people suffering from unknown causes. How long do you think your masters can keep this illusion alive? How long do you think the ministry of truth can keep this up? Maybe some of the shills got the saline. But eventually the record keeping will fail and they will get the real deal. 4 vaccine shots in 10 months? What did Einstein say about insanity again?
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    Damn, it seems the broader internet is leaking into HN again
    - ohiovr 5y ago
      Yes the majority of people beyond your bubble see the trouble and iniquity to come.
      - King-Aaron 5y ago
        incorrect
  - credit_guy 5y ago
    It looks like you are anti-vax and you'd like to debate with someone who's pro-vax. I'm one of those pro-vaxxers. In fact tomorrow I'll be getting my booster shot, and I'll get my annual flu shot too. So, what exactly is your theory? That vaccines are water? That they are not? Is it a single theory, or you have multiple hypotheses? Who is trying to fool whom? Who are the "masters", and what "illusion" are they trying to keep? I'm not sarcastic at all. Please articulate your thoughts, and I'll argue with you with complete honesty.
    - King-Aaron 5y ago
      This is the thing that perplexes me with the people complaining about lockdowns as being some kind of evil government control. Who does a lockdown benefit? People going to work creates revenue for the government, people going to shops creates revenue for the government, people going travelling creates revenue for the government. If people aren't paid or aren't paying for goods/services, they aren't paying taxes, which isn't good for the government. In fact while people are at home (at least in Australia), the government has been paying living allowances, which certainly doesn't benefit the government. No one benefits from people staying at home, other than the people who don't get ill.
      - deleted 5y ago
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      - Markoff 5y ago
        you say it like the gov would use their own money for all of this, in the end it's people's money and gov doesn't really care about end result, they don't really care whether you are locked at home or you go to work, because they will waste in the end your money anyway and they have zero responsibility for their decisions besides risking their political future from what I see, politicans in most of the countries are just enjoying their power trip over people (hopefully naively) thinking they are doing the good thing (after all even many/most Nazis really believed in inferiority of Slavs/Jews and thought they are doing the good thing getting world rid of them), in worse case they are hostages of various lobby groups, especially pharma lobby trying to scare people so they can drive demand up and sell more vaccines and drugs and get finance for various research, all of this would not be possible without fight affecting you daily, if COVID would be just another flu as it should be taken (risk groups get vaxxed for their own personal benefits and don't bother anyone else pretending your vaccination is saving anyone) sadly there is significant part of population still buying it, that they are actually doing the good thing, so since they see they still have significant support for doing it, they won't stop and they will enjoy their power trip and stripping our freedoms and basic rights, that's how totalitarian regimes started everywhere - doing the good thing
  - oblib 5y ago
    >> ...but I am not? We all have differences in our immune systems. Could be you have one that does a good job at fighting off covid. Could be you got it but barely felt it or didn't notice it at all but you built an immunity to it just the same. Could be you've not been exposed to enough of the virus to get infected and you will get it. Could be none of the above. One thing is for sure, those who've been vaxxed are less likely to get it for now. A variant could come up that changes that but we won't know until it does.
  - Markoff 5y ago
    you will get it eventually or you had it already I am not vaxxed, had COVID in 2 weeks this October, 2 weeks of high fever with max. 2 short 1 day breaks, total fatigue, bad headaches, loss of smell, partial loss of taste after 2 weeks it was like you would turn the switch off and I was basically healthy, left with sporadic weak coughing and no smell, though after 3 weeks smell returned and farts never smelled as good as before would I get vaxxed after this experience? not really, I am healthy person, it was inconvenient, luckily I didnt have much work during that period and I work from home. but if they provided me with safe vaccine proven by decades of experience (inactivated virus) instead of these experimental vaccines first time in history used year (mRNA) or two (viral vector, ebola, 2019) ago I would probably take it even without restrictions and I'd recommend it to other healthy ppl, since I would consider it safe technology which works basically same as infection, unlike mRNA/viral vector pushed for reasons unknown to me, I am willing to pay extra for safe vaccine and they can keep these cheaper (easier to produce en masse) mRNA/VV vaccines for poor people who don't care about their health vaccines work. do they work against infection? hardly, very inefficient. do they work against hospitalization? already better. do they work against death? pretty good, sure nowhere close to promised 90+ percents but from recent numbers at least in Czechia the efficacy against death (for risk groups) is ~75%, that's not bad if you are at risk of death if you are risk group - get vaxxed, it surely has benefits against hospitalization and death, not much against infection. if you are not risk group then it should be up to you without being forced by unscientific political restrictions, since vaccine will hardly change anything for you, at best will make your COVID more pleasant experience, if we had available safe inactivated virus vaccines I would say sure go for it, but since we have only mRNA/VV vaccines never used in history and nobody will guarantee safety of the technology in next 10 years, then their benefit for non-risk groups is questionable
oblib 5y ago
This really isn't "News" at all. We know there are breakthrough infections and those infected can spread the virus. Anyone who gets infected is a playground for the virus to mutate.
Markoff 5y ago
the best idea ever - let's not test vaxxed to not discourage them from vaccination, so they can as asymptomatic spread virus under perfect conditions

16 points by vimy 5y ago

I've decided that death by covid is probably better than continuing to live in a world run by hysterical cowards and vicious elitists who choose to ignore the global damage that this ridiculous hysteria has caused (mostly to poor people and kids). Cheers;) Have a nice Friday

ohiovr 5y ago

Makes a nice playground though for the virus to mutate in.

ohiovr 5y ago
Alright then, why is it then that the people around me are getting covid when I'm unvaccinated when I was in direct physical contact with them but I am not? Why do you think sirens are blaring in my town and yours with such high vaccination rates? You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool them when they die. ICUs are being stuffed with people suffering from unknown causes. How long do you think your masters can keep this illusion alive? How long do you think the ministry of truth can keep this up? Maybe some of the shills got the saline. But eventually the record keeping will fail and they will get the real deal. 4 vaccine shots in 10 months? What did Einstein say about insanity again?
- King-Aaron 5y ago
  Damn, it seems the broader internet is leaking into HN again
  - ohiovr 5y ago
    Yes the majority of people beyond your bubble see the trouble and iniquity to come.
    - King-Aaron 5y ago
      incorrect
- credit_guy 5y ago
  It looks like you are anti-vax and you'd like to debate with someone who's pro-vax. I'm one of those pro-vaxxers. In fact tomorrow I'll be getting my booster shot, and I'll get my annual flu shot too. So, what exactly is your theory? That vaccines are water? That they are not? Is it a single theory, or you have multiple hypotheses? Who is trying to fool whom? Who are the "masters", and what "illusion" are they trying to keep? I'm not sarcastic at all. Please articulate your thoughts, and I'll argue with you with complete honesty.
  - King-Aaron 5y ago
    This is the thing that perplexes me with the people complaining about lockdowns as being some kind of evil government control. Who does a lockdown benefit? People going to work creates revenue for the government, people going to shops creates revenue for the government, people going travelling creates revenue for the government. If people aren't paid or aren't paying for goods/services, they aren't paying taxes, which isn't good for the government. In fact while people are at home (at least in Australia), the government has been paying living allowances, which certainly doesn't benefit the government. No one benefits from people staying at home, other than the people who don't get ill.
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
    - Markoff 5y ago
      you say it like the gov would use their own money for all of this, in the end it's people's money and gov doesn't really care about end result, they don't really care whether you are locked at home or you go to work, because they will waste in the end your money anyway and they have zero responsibility for their decisions besides risking their political future from what I see, politicans in most of the countries are just enjoying their power trip over people (hopefully naively) thinking they are doing the good thing (after all even many/most Nazis really believed in inferiority of Slavs/Jews and thought they are doing the good thing getting world rid of them), in worse case they are hostages of various lobby groups, especially pharma lobby trying to scare people so they can drive demand up and sell more vaccines and drugs and get finance for various research, all of this would not be possible without fight affecting you daily, if COVID would be just another flu as it should be taken (risk groups get vaxxed for their own personal benefits and don't bother anyone else pretending your vaccination is saving anyone) sadly there is significant part of population still buying it, that they are actually doing the good thing, so since they see they still have significant support for doing it, they won't stop and they will enjoy their power trip and stripping our freedoms and basic rights, that's how totalitarian regimes started everywhere - doing the good thing
- oblib 5y ago
  >> ...but I am not? We all have differences in our immune systems. Could be you have one that does a good job at fighting off covid. Could be you got it but barely felt it or didn't notice it at all but you built an immunity to it just the same. Could be you've not been exposed to enough of the virus to get infected and you will get it. Could be none of the above. One thing is for sure, those who've been vaxxed are less likely to get it for now. A variant could come up that changes that but we won't know until it does.
- Markoff 5y ago
  you will get it eventually or you had it already I am not vaxxed, had COVID in 2 weeks this October, 2 weeks of high fever with max. 2 short 1 day breaks, total fatigue, bad headaches, loss of smell, partial loss of taste after 2 weeks it was like you would turn the switch off and I was basically healthy, left with sporadic weak coughing and no smell, though after 3 weeks smell returned and farts never smelled as good as before would I get vaxxed after this experience? not really, I am healthy person, it was inconvenient, luckily I didnt have much work during that period and I work from home. but if they provided me with safe vaccine proven by decades of experience (inactivated virus) instead of these experimental vaccines first time in history used year (mRNA) or two (viral vector, ebola, 2019) ago I would probably take it even without restrictions and I'd recommend it to other healthy ppl, since I would consider it safe technology which works basically same as infection, unlike mRNA/viral vector pushed for reasons unknown to me, I am willing to pay extra for safe vaccine and they can keep these cheaper (easier to produce en masse) mRNA/VV vaccines for poor people who don't care about their health vaccines work. do they work against infection? hardly, very inefficient. do they work against hospitalization? already better. do they work against death? pretty good, sure nowhere close to promised 90+ percents but from recent numbers at least in Czechia the efficacy against death (for risk groups) is ~75%, that's not bad if you are at risk of death if you are risk group - get vaxxed, it surely has benefits against hospitalization and death, not much against infection. if you are not risk group then it should be up to you without being forced by unscientific political restrictions, since vaccine will hardly change anything for you, at best will make your COVID more pleasant experience, if we had available safe inactivated virus vaccines I would say sure go for it, but since we have only mRNA/VV vaccines never used in history and nobody will guarantee safety of the technology in next 10 years, then their benefit for non-risk groups is questionable

oblib 5y ago

This really isn't "News" at all. We know there are breakthrough infections and those infected can spread the virus. Anyone who gets infected is a playground for the virus to mutate.

Markoff 5y ago

the best idea ever - let's not test vaxxed to not discourage them from vaccination, so they can as asymptomatic spread virus under perfect conditions