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That comparison doesn't make any sense. Earn.com was making people go through them in order to contact whoever used its service. It completely killed the open

That comparison doesn't make any sense. Earn.com was making people go through them in order to contact whoever used its service. It completely killed the open nature of email where if you had someone's email you could be sure the message directly reaches him. It was then his choice if he chose to read your mail or not.

thrill 5y ago
Earn wasn't making anyone use their service.
BeetleB 5y ago
I'm not sure exactly how earn.com worked, but when I implemented this for my own email, all such emails would go to a "quarantine" folder until the sender responded to the autogenerated email. So yes, the sender's email did get to me. Thankfully, I would be blissfully unaware of it until the sender confirms they're human. The sender needs to do it only once. There's a great chance that if the sender is not willing to go through that hoop, that they are not someone whose email I want to read. This isn't "killing" the open nature of email. As designed, the email was delivered to me. I just added a workflow to it.
- igetspam 5y ago
  How did you go about doing this? I would live to require verification for email. I assume you had to have a way to manually dip into the quarantine and white list senders or you'd miss Known Good robots (like banks with bad MFA implementations).
  - BeetleB 5y ago
    Fairly simple. I have a folder called "jail" and all emails go there unless in the whitelist. jail is just another folder. I can manually go in and whitelist with a keystroke. Or if they go through the hoops, the system automatically whitelists them and moves the mail to the inbox. OK, in reality my mail is tag based, so I use tags instead of folders. Minor difference. And no, I do not whitelist banks and MFA emails. As I said, it's still a folder. I can go in and read the MFA email without needing to whitelist them.
    - igetspam 5y ago
      I like your style. I use unique emails per service but that only helps me track spammers and leaks.
p2t2p 5y ago
> if you had someone's email you could be sure the message directly reaches him You don’t get it. I don’t want your message to directly reach me. I want you to kindly f-off and don’t waste my time with endless offers of shit that I don’t need. You think your message is worth it? Pay me for my time to look at it then. I think it is a great idea. I wish someone did it for phones as well. “p2t2p won’t answer your call as you’re not in the list of approved callers. Press hash sign to make a paid call for a small fee of 1 AUD a minute if you really think your phone call is worth it."
- fxtentacle 5y ago
  We once built a service like that as a joke on a Twilio hackathon. I've solved my robocall problem by enabling Do Not Disturb mode. Only people that call twice with the same phone number within one hour go through. My friends know and if someone else calls and it's urgent they will retry. But it nicely keeps all those robots away, because they usually randomize numbers.

thrill 5y ago

Earn wasn't making anyone use their service.

BeetleB 5y ago

I'm not sure exactly how earn.com worked, but when I implemented this for my own email, all such emails would go to a "quarantine" folder until the sender responded to the autogenerated email. So yes, the sender's email did get to me. Thankfully, I would be blissfully unaware of it until the sender confirms they're human. The sender needs to do it only once. There's a great chance that if the sender is not willing to go through that hoop, that they are not someone whose email I want to read. This isn't "killing" the open nature of email. As designed, the email was delivered to me. I just added a workflow to it.

igetspam 5y ago
How did you go about doing this? I would live to require verification for email. I assume you had to have a way to manually dip into the quarantine and white list senders or you'd miss Known Good robots (like banks with bad MFA implementations).
- BeetleB 5y ago
  Fairly simple. I have a folder called "jail" and all emails go there unless in the whitelist. jail is just another folder. I can manually go in and whitelist with a keystroke. Or if they go through the hoops, the system automatically whitelists them and moves the mail to the inbox. OK, in reality my mail is tag based, so I use tags instead of folders. Minor difference. And no, I do not whitelist banks and MFA emails. As I said, it's still a folder. I can go in and read the MFA email without needing to whitelist them.
  - igetspam 5y ago
    I like your style. I use unique emails per service but that only helps me track spammers and leaks.

p2t2p 5y ago

> if you had someone's email you could be sure the message directly reaches him You don’t get it. I don’t want your message to directly reach me. I want you to kindly f-off and don’t waste my time with endless offers of shit that I don’t need. You think your message is worth it? Pay me for my time to look at it then. I think it is a great idea. I wish someone did it for phones as well. “p2t2p won’t answer your call as you’re not in the list of approved callers. Press hash sign to make a paid call for a small fee of 1 AUD a minute if you really think your phone call is worth it."

fxtentacle 5y ago
We once built a service like that as a joke on a Twilio hackathon. I've solved my robocall problem by enabling Do Not Disturb mode. Only people that call twice with the same phone number within one hour go through. My friends know and if someone else calls and it's urgent they will retry. But it nicely keeps all those robots away, because they usually randomize numbers.