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Okay, are there any epidemiological studies indicating a problem with chloramine? https://www.epa.gov/dwreginfo/chloramines-drinking-water https://www.epa.gov/

Okay, are there any epidemiological studies indicating a problem with chloramine? https://www.epa.gov/dwreginfo/chloramines-drinking-water https://www.epa.gov/dwreginfo/chloramines-drinking-water Chloramines have been used by water utilities since the 1930s. More than one in five Americans uses drinking water treated with chloramines. I need more than hyperbole before I get concerned.

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latchkey 5y ago
I don't think anything I said was hyperbole. Chloramine is ammonia and chlorine. You heat it up and vaporize it and it splits apart. That's basic chemistry. Ammonia is well-known to be an irritant. We are questioning the addition of fluoride, but not chloramine? But to respond to you, well, that's the thing... there are very few studies. It is one of those things where they just say "trust us" and there isn't much data to back it up in either direction. There are some definite hyperbole websites that suggest it causes (or increases) IBS, which you can google, they come up first in the search results. https://chloramine.org/ccacflier.htm https://chloramine.org/ccacflier.htm https://www.google.com/search?q=chloramine+ibs https://www.google.com/search?q=chloramine+ibs https://www.wired.com/2016/02/chloramines/ https://www.wired.com/2016/02/chloramines/ I was living in San Francisco when they switched. I had two fish tanks and all the fish died immediately upon a water change. I ended up having to add neutralizer to the water. I was also commercially growing some plants in my basement and it definitely had an effect on them. Immediately stunted growth. I did a lot more research and found that chloramine is hard to filter out as well. You need higher quality carbon or RO systems. It doesn't just dissipate naturally like chlorine alone does. If our plants and fish can't live in it... why would we want that anywhere near us?
- yongjik 5y ago
  > Chloramine is ammonia and chlorine. Both naturally exist in our blood, by the way.
  - latchkey 5y ago
    So increasing our natural amounts is somehow ok? MSG is in our system too, but people who eat food with it added in, often complain of headaches.
    - yongjik 5y ago
      > So increasing our natural amounts is somehow ok? It can be OK, or it can be not. That's why we pay scientists to study how safe these things are. > MSG is in our system too, but people who eat food with it added in, often complain of headaches. You could have chosen a better example: MSG is a prime example of people overreacting to what is essentially a tasty placebo. Gram by gram, it's safer than salt.
      - latchkey 5y ago
        I didn't say MSG caused headaches, because we all know that may or may not be true. I've seen the long threads on HN about it. I specifically said they complain of it. In the same way that people complain about IBS with chloramine. At the end of the day though, I see no problem with winning by filtering it out of my water supply. It is a small cost to do so. If the argument is that we should have it in there to keep the water clean on the way to my house, great! I'll filter it out when it gets here and I am more than happy to not drink and especially not vaporize the stuff into my lungs in the shower. The science on it is irrelevant at that point.
    - therealdrag0 5y ago
      People complain about a lot of things. That doesn't mean it's true. Maybe it is for some individuals, maybe it's in their head due to stereotyping/priming. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4870486/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4870486/ > From the fact that the results of the human studies are not consistent and it is assumed that most studies using beverages as a vehicle are not properly blinded, we suggest that a causal relationship between MSG and headache has not been proven. In addition, statistically significant differences in the incidence of headache were not observed when MSG was administered with food, except in one case of the female group where the blind integrity was questionable. It would seem premature to conclude that the MSG present in food causes headache.

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latchkey 5y ago

I don't think anything I said was hyperbole. Chloramine is ammonia and chlorine. You heat it up and vaporize it and it splits apart. That's basic chemistry. Ammonia is well-known to be an irritant. We are questioning the addition of fluoride, but not chloramine? But to respond to you, well, that's the thing... there are very few studies. It is one of those things where they just say "trust us" and there isn't much data to back it up in either direction. There are some definite hyperbole websites that suggest it causes (or increases) IBS, which you can google, they come up first in the search results. https://chloramine.org/ccacflier.htm https://chloramine.org/ccacflier.htm https://www.google.com/search?q=chloramine+ibs https://www.google.com/search?q=chloramine+ibs https://www.wired.com/2016/02/chloramines/ https://www.wired.com/2016/02/chloramines/ I was living in San Francisco when they switched. I had two fish tanks and all the fish died immediately upon a water change. I ended up having to add neutralizer to the water. I was also commercially growing some plants in my basement and it definitely had an effect on them. Immediately stunted growth. I did a lot more research and found that chloramine is hard to filter out as well. You need higher quality carbon or RO systems. It doesn't just dissipate naturally like chlorine alone does. If our plants and fish can't live in it... why would we want that anywhere near us?

yongjik 5y ago
> Chloramine is ammonia and chlorine. Both naturally exist in our blood, by the way.
- latchkey 5y ago
  So increasing our natural amounts is somehow ok? MSG is in our system too, but people who eat food with it added in, often complain of headaches.
  - yongjik 5y ago
    > So increasing our natural amounts is somehow ok? It can be OK, or it can be not. That's why we pay scientists to study how safe these things are. > MSG is in our system too, but people who eat food with it added in, often complain of headaches. You could have chosen a better example: MSG is a prime example of people overreacting to what is essentially a tasty placebo. Gram by gram, it's safer than salt.
    - latchkey 5y ago
      I didn't say MSG caused headaches, because we all know that may or may not be true. I've seen the long threads on HN about it. I specifically said they complain of it. In the same way that people complain about IBS with chloramine. At the end of the day though, I see no problem with winning by filtering it out of my water supply. It is a small cost to do so. If the argument is that we should have it in there to keep the water clean on the way to my house, great! I'll filter it out when it gets here and I am more than happy to not drink and especially not vaporize the stuff into my lungs in the shower. The science on it is irrelevant at that point.
  - therealdrag0 5y ago
    People complain about a lot of things. That doesn't mean it's true. Maybe it is for some individuals, maybe it's in their head due to stereotyping/priming. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4870486/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4870486/ > From the fact that the results of the human studies are not consistent and it is assumed that most studies using beverages as a vehicle are not properly blinded, we suggest that a causal relationship between MSG and headache has not been proven. In addition, statistically significant differences in the incidence of headache were not observed when MSG was administered with food, except in one case of the female group where the blind integrity was questionable. It would seem premature to conclude that the MSG present in food causes headache.